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Yeah, you covered it well. Joel Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 02:44:53 PM
Somehow I don't feel entirely comfortable with it, for said human rights reasons. Of course, having a child molested makes me even a lot more uncomfortable, so maybe it's a lesser of two evils situation?
Mr Tusk's refusal "to call such individuals – such creatures – human beings" doesn't sound too good either. It's a little more complicated than that and reminds me of calling Hitler a monster, instead of looking at what humans are capable of doing. As hard as it is, people have to stop thinking about such situations from the vigilante point of view of parents, keep a sober and clear head and think it through.

It's mostly this, that sounds a bit off:
"Supporters are reminding those against the move that the effects of chemical castration are not permanent, nor are they a guarantee that a paedophile will not re-offend."
What's the point then? It may lower the risk, okay, but doesn't eliminate it. If this law gets through, one will have to see how it goes in the next few years. Maybe it checks out successfully.

This is the first time I read about the British model, where offenders have to agree to get treated. That I can get behind entirely.

Both my initial reaction and my more deliberate one. The big thing I'd emphasize is that cavalierly declaring "person x is inhuman so anything we do to them is OK" is in much the same vein as what sexual and other predators do to dehumanize their victims so their conscience will excuse abuse. That doesn't mean castration is automatically off the table for pedophiles (though, as Tim and some in the article note, chemical castration is a very different thing than surgical castration. ) Societies around the world strip violent criminals of many previously enjoyed civil rights (most obviously freedom of movement and the right to most privacy) on the grounds of 1) governments obligation to public safety and 2) that voluntary commission of violent crime constitutes a forfeiture of many rights. As much heat as America gets in the West for our gun laws, if you're a convicted felon you can't legally own a gun, and even the NRA is OK with that; I don't think anyone except convicted felons objects.
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Castration of paedophiles - 21/04/2010 11:44:03 AM 832 Views
Hmm - 21/04/2010 12:04:45 PM 396 Views
I agree. *NM* - 21/04/2010 12:15:41 PM 136 Views
good reply. *NM* - 21/04/2010 12:41:42 PM 160 Views
Yeah, you covered it well. - 21/04/2010 02:44:53 PM 477 Views
More or less agree - 21/04/2010 05:20:43 PM 458 Views
Calling it "castration" makes it sound a million times worse than it actually is. - 21/04/2010 12:44:30 PM 425 Views
Language is critical. - 21/04/2010 02:52:03 PM 318 Views
One quick response: Alan Turing - 21/04/2010 03:43:33 PM 450 Views
Are they really using the same chemicals as in 1952? - 21/04/2010 04:40:30 PM 385 Views
It was a quick response - 22/04/2010 02:21:06 AM 367 Views
Easily. - 22/04/2010 08:43:21 AM 361 Views
Possibly caused it - 22/04/2010 10:15:23 AM 346 Views
Yeah... no. *NM* - 21/04/2010 04:06:57 PM 150 Views
Why are you against this? *NM* - 21/04/2010 06:54:20 PM 138 Views
First, because I don't knee-jerk to BURN IN HELL FOREVERRRRR whenever I see "pedophile" - 21/04/2010 07:28:34 PM 372 Views
Well said - 21/04/2010 07:43:09 PM 333 Views
I agree. - 21/04/2010 10:12:18 PM 391 Views
It really boils down to what kind of society you want to live in - 21/04/2010 04:59:38 PM 353 Views
Perhaps this would be a better solution: - 21/04/2010 06:55:52 PM 491 Views
I like it. *NM* - 21/04/2010 08:15:17 PM 148 Views
Although I'm not a psychologist - 21/04/2010 11:29:04 PM 333 Views
I think it's more complicated than just that - 21/04/2010 11:46:14 PM 324 Views
Sounds familiar... - 21/04/2010 11:52:43 PM 333 Views
even if someone did physically castrate a pedophile - 22/04/2010 01:07:15 AM 322 Views
This post proves the truth of what I said above. - 22/04/2010 01:58:06 PM 392 Views
I have a very hard time being unbiased on this subject. - 22/04/2010 01:11:31 AM 393 Views
it would probably only help those who are truly pedophiles. - 22/04/2010 01:30:53 AM 311 Views
No...just kill them *NM* - 22/04/2010 04:44:47 AM 151 Views
I'm with you Mook. - 22/04/2010 05:08:46 AM 368 Views
Well, that's kind of the point, right? - 22/04/2010 06:50:11 AM 371 Views
I agree *NM* - 22/04/2010 12:56:32 PM 150 Views
I also agree. - 22/04/2010 01:15:50 PM 335 Views
It will keep them from hurting more children *NM* - 22/04/2010 01:53:23 PM 127 Views
there are many ways to accomplish that. - 22/04/2010 03:10:02 PM 419 Views
you can make any argument sound absurd if that is goal - 22/04/2010 05:07:56 PM 349 Views
You misunderstood my logic. - 22/04/2010 05:11:30 PM 383 Views
It is just theory to you. - 28/04/2010 04:55:51 PM 378 Views
And theory is what the law should be about *NM* - 28/04/2010 05:04:40 PM 162 Views
I don't care if the kill them or lock them away forever - 28/04/2010 05:51:24 PM 372 Views
This idea I like even better. *NM* - 22/04/2010 07:57:13 AM 144 Views
This is my initial reaction too. - 22/04/2010 07:20:07 PM 345 Views
Shooting them would probably be a better idea. *NM* - 22/04/2010 02:46:28 PM 150 Views

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