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Yeah, you covered it well. Joel Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 02:44:53 PM
Somehow I don't feel entirely comfortable with it, for said human rights reasons. Of course, having a child molested makes me even a lot more uncomfortable, so maybe it's a lesser of two evils situation?
Mr Tusk's refusal "to call such individuals – such creatures – human beings" doesn't sound too good either. It's a little more complicated than that and reminds me of calling Hitler a monster, instead of looking at what humans are capable of doing. As hard as it is, people have to stop thinking about such situations from the vigilante point of view of parents, keep a sober and clear head and think it through.

It's mostly this, that sounds a bit off:
"Supporters are reminding those against the move that the effects of chemical castration are not permanent, nor are they a guarantee that a paedophile will not re-offend."
What's the point then? It may lower the risk, okay, but doesn't eliminate it. If this law gets through, one will have to see how it goes in the next few years. Maybe it checks out successfully.

This is the first time I read about the British model, where offenders have to agree to get treated. That I can get behind entirely.

Both my initial reaction and my more deliberate one. The big thing I'd emphasize is that cavalierly declaring "person x is inhuman so anything we do to them is OK" is in much the same vein as what sexual and other predators do to dehumanize their victims so their conscience will excuse abuse. That doesn't mean castration is automatically off the table for pedophiles (though, as Tim and some in the article note, chemical castration is a very different thing than surgical castration. ) Societies around the world strip violent criminals of many previously enjoyed civil rights (most obviously freedom of movement and the right to most privacy) on the grounds of 1) governments obligation to public safety and 2) that voluntary commission of violent crime constitutes a forfeiture of many rights. As much heat as America gets in the West for our gun laws, if you're a convicted felon you can't legally own a gun, and even the NRA is OK with that; I don't think anyone except convicted felons objects.
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Castration of paedophiles - 21/04/2010 11:44:03 AM 1003 Views
Hmm - 21/04/2010 12:04:45 PM 539 Views
I agree. *NM* - 21/04/2010 12:15:41 PM 194 Views
good reply. *NM* - 21/04/2010 12:41:42 PM 221 Views
Yeah, you covered it well. - 21/04/2010 02:44:53 PM 646 Views
More or less agree - 21/04/2010 05:20:43 PM 616 Views
Calling it "castration" makes it sound a million times worse than it actually is. - 21/04/2010 12:44:30 PM 599 Views
Language is critical. - 21/04/2010 02:52:03 PM 470 Views
One quick response: Alan Turing - 21/04/2010 03:43:33 PM 627 Views
Are they really using the same chemicals as in 1952? - 21/04/2010 04:40:30 PM 536 Views
It was a quick response - 22/04/2010 02:21:06 AM 521 Views
Easily. - 22/04/2010 08:43:21 AM 518 Views
Possibly caused it - 22/04/2010 10:15:23 AM 491 Views
Yeah... no. *NM* - 21/04/2010 04:06:57 PM 221 Views
Why are you against this? *NM* - 21/04/2010 06:54:20 PM 200 Views
First, because I don't knee-jerk to BURN IN HELL FOREVERRRRR whenever I see "pedophile" - 21/04/2010 07:28:34 PM 531 Views
Well said - 21/04/2010 07:43:09 PM 477 Views
I agree. - 21/04/2010 10:12:18 PM 544 Views
It really boils down to what kind of society you want to live in - 21/04/2010 04:59:38 PM 527 Views
Perhaps this would be a better solution: - 21/04/2010 06:55:52 PM 672 Views
I like it. *NM* - 21/04/2010 08:15:17 PM 206 Views
Although I'm not a psychologist - 21/04/2010 11:29:04 PM 493 Views
I think it's more complicated than just that - 21/04/2010 11:46:14 PM 475 Views
Sounds familiar... - 21/04/2010 11:52:43 PM 494 Views
even if someone did physically castrate a pedophile - 22/04/2010 01:07:15 AM 483 Views
This post proves the truth of what I said above. - 22/04/2010 01:58:06 PM 550 Views
I have a very hard time being unbiased on this subject. - 22/04/2010 01:11:31 AM 549 Views
it would probably only help those who are truly pedophiles. - 22/04/2010 01:30:53 AM 473 Views
No...just kill them *NM* - 22/04/2010 04:44:47 AM 211 Views
I'm with you Mook. - 22/04/2010 05:08:46 AM 538 Views
Well, that's kind of the point, right? - 22/04/2010 06:50:11 AM 536 Views
I agree *NM* - 22/04/2010 12:56:32 PM 243 Views
I also agree. - 22/04/2010 01:15:50 PM 495 Views
It will keep them from hurting more children *NM* - 22/04/2010 01:53:23 PM 183 Views
there are many ways to accomplish that. - 22/04/2010 03:10:02 PM 576 Views
you can make any argument sound absurd if that is goal - 22/04/2010 05:07:56 PM 505 Views
You misunderstood my logic. - 22/04/2010 05:11:30 PM 542 Views
It is just theory to you. - 28/04/2010 04:55:51 PM 536 Views
And theory is what the law should be about *NM* - 28/04/2010 05:04:40 PM 218 Views
I don't care if the kill them or lock them away forever - 28/04/2010 05:51:24 PM 530 Views
This idea I like even better. *NM* - 22/04/2010 07:57:13 AM 205 Views
This is my initial reaction too. - 22/04/2010 07:20:07 PM 510 Views
Shooting them would probably be a better idea. *NM* - 22/04/2010 02:46:28 PM 211 Views

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