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Thing is though SilverWarder Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 03:31:05 PM
They signed up for an organization that is supposed to be) apolitical for a reason. Active duty military members can NOT be allowed to exploit their position to push a political agenda, no matter which side they're on. Which is why that Birther asshat who is refusing to deploy needs to be punished ASAP.


While the military claims to be apolitical it is not and never had been.

By virtue of the people in it, it has very strong conservative ties. Those people who make the decisions as to what the uniform may be worn for off duty are only sometimes apolitical in their final position. All too frequently the military winds up being shown in ways that certainly appear political because the people with the power to approve such matters do so based on their own biases.

And yes, as a USAF Veteran I've seen that in action a couple of times.
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I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:29:45 AM 1548 Views
...did you read the article? They aren't in the military any more. *NM* Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 05:31:02 AM 474 Views
Really? A few months ago Lt. Choi was still in the military, I didn't realize he'd been discharged beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:37:47 AM 1025 Views
No, in or out it's a no-go Isaac - 21/04/2010 05:48:25 AM 1030 Views
There needs to be a rule that stops soldiers from wearing uniforms in bars beetnemesis - 21/04/2010 06:55:37 AM 999 Views
But if you aren't wearing your uniform at the bar... beckstcw - 21/04/2010 06:58:33 AM 971 Views
You wear a big sign that says I'M AWESOME: ASK ME HOW *NM* beetnemesis - 21/04/2010 07:01:45 AM 438 Views
Grabbing a beer with the guys after work is a pretty normal thing Isaac - 21/04/2010 07:45:16 AM 964 Views
I've seen it. LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 12:52:59 PM 963 Views
Not a very fair way to look at it Isaac - 21/04/2010 02:10:47 PM 1026 Views
perhaps not on its own LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 07:06:09 PM 921 Views
Sadly that's not that uncommon SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 07:27:45 PM 1049 Views
to be honest, I've probably met plenty of wonderful military people in the bars LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 07:41:30 PM 1024 Views
Could be. SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:45:29 PM 958 Views
every think the problem might be the uptight college kids? *NM* random thoughts - 22/04/2010 05:10:08 PM 419 Views
Excepting possibly finals period, I'm pretty sure "uptight college kid" is an oxymoron. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/04/2010 07:07:58 PM 461 Views
uptight college kids don't go drink in Aggieville. LadyLorraine - 22/04/2010 07:17:17 PM 1185 Views
maybe I should have said stuck up college kids random thoughts - 22/04/2010 08:29:18 PM 1112 Views
Uhm, no, college towns can be quite different. LadyLorraine - 22/04/2010 10:13:41 PM 920 Views
The navy and Marine do have rules against it at least for working uniforms random thoughts - 21/04/2010 04:06:10 PM 1015 Views
Like Buzz Aldrin wearing his on Dancing with the Stars. Ugh. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 21/04/2010 02:37:59 PM 448 Views
I'll bet he got permission to do that though. SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 03:26:43 PM 969 Views
well that was an air force uniform so it really doesn't count as military random thoughts - 21/04/2010 04:00:27 PM 1142 Views
I'll remind you of that next time you want air support ;-) SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 06:00:32 PM 1005 Views
I am a Marine we have our own air support random thoughts - 21/04/2010 06:15:01 PM 921 Views
Yeah - some of it pretty good too but still all small stuff SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 07:26:12 PM 979 Views
The F/A18 does OK random thoughts - 21/04/2010 10:11:13 PM 884 Views
It's all right, but not the best choice SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:30:07 PM 987 Views
jack of all trades pretty much defines the Marines random thoughts - 22/04/2010 05:13:21 PM 1340 Views
Oh not entirely SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 09:54:21 PM 1238 Views
I second that UGH *NM* Aisha - 21/04/2010 10:30:35 PM 429 Views
Hm. That seems to violate some significant 1st Amendment rights. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 07:00:59 PM 1021 Views
you forget that the military sign away their rights. *NM* LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 07:06:52 PM 455 Views
That's why I specified dishonorably discharged. They're no longer in the military. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 08:43:22 PM 980 Views
*shrug* sorry, I'm a bit cynical over how much the military EVER lets go. LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 10:13:51 PM 933 Views
Re: I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:36:48 AM 982 Views
Not in uniform. beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:38:50 AM 1097 Views
oh puhlease Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:43:15 AM 1044 Views
It's not a just a piece of clothing, but I guess we'll agree to disagree on that. beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:45:52 AM 1024 Views
I agree with you, Aisha. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 02:15:30 PM 1156 Views
and another thing Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:38:53 AM 1021 Views
I'm on their side, BUT beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:44:00 AM 969 Views
Re: I'm on their side, BUT Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:57:50 AM 1030 Views
Like I said, we simply disagree *NM* beckstcw - 21/04/2010 06:35:27 AM 474 Views
Thing is though SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 03:31:05 PM 1070 Views
Well... it's a military policy. If they were protesting animal cruelty while wearing it, I'd agree beetnemesis - 21/04/2010 06:53:36 AM 1191 Views
What beetnemesis said. They're not talking about rights for all gays, but rights for gay soldiers. Tim - 21/04/2010 09:54:09 AM 930 Views
Sounds a bit like they are damned either way snoopcester - 21/04/2010 11:01:36 AM 971 Views
It's peaceful and non-violent. I see nothing wrong with them making their point in this in addition The Shrike - 21/04/2010 02:12:54 PM 933 Views
A soldier protesting a military doctrine has the right. Dannymac - 21/04/2010 02:28:40 PM 1108 Views
Re: A soldier protesting a military doctrine has the right. Aisha - 21/04/2010 02:34:34 PM 962 Views
they don't have the right to use the uniform to make that free expression *NM* random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:39:45 PM 419 Views
Take it up with congress, the regulations are clear, no such right exists, it is expressly banned *NM* Isaac - 21/04/2010 02:46:14 PM 388 Views
The uniform isn't just handed to you after Basic with no strings attached. beckstcw - 21/04/2010 03:04:32 PM 1067 Views
The funny thing about it is SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 03:35:51 PM 1085 Views
Re: The funny thing about it is Bored - 21/04/2010 10:12:57 PM 934 Views
Actually -the question isn't right SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:38:03 PM 847 Views
What's bugging me is that Choi is still in Isaac - 22/04/2010 04:44:50 PM 922 Views
Is he? SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:47:37 PM 979 Views
Apparently Isaac - 22/04/2010 05:12:44 PM 1063 Views
I think your attitude is likely to be common among active duty and vets alike. Sareitha Sedai - 21/04/2010 02:44:29 PM 957 Views
Actually, darlin', we don't have to convince them. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 03:34:49 PM 954 Views
very true random thoughts - 21/04/2010 03:51:49 PM 1011 Views
But these men didn't disrespect anything. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:09:20 PM 1036 Views
the problem is uniforms are about more than everyone dressing the same random thoughts - 21/04/2010 05:55:31 PM 1035 Views
The statistics show that nearly 70% of Americans think gay men and women should serve openly. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:14:33 PM 915 Views
And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:17:02 PM 969 Views
Re: And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:25:46 PM 984 Views
That dude is all talk about everything. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:27:07 PM 1094 Views
Well he wasn't all talk about Health care SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:44:39 PM 1053 Views
Yes, the main thing he has followed through on is the most disastrous. LiterateDog - 22/04/2010 04:59:45 PM 832 Views
Well, I'm not convinced on that SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 10:02:58 PM 1310 Views
and I think they will get it random thoughts - 21/04/2010 06:05:07 PM 1106 Views
Civil disobedience against immoral government action often involves breaking the rules. *NM* LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 PM 469 Views
Wow, The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:04:42 PM 938 Views
I'm sure female protesters made a lot of people reconsider the suffrage movement. Dreaded Anomaly - 21/04/2010 04:09:37 PM 1108 Views
Le sigh. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:16:17 PM 927 Views
The bravey of those men is exactly what that 'clothing' stands for. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:20:19 PM 1053 Views
The above post was sarcasm, in case that wasn't clear... Dreaded Anomaly - 21/04/2010 04:43:44 PM 1045 Views
I knew it was sarcasm. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:54:11 PM 941 Views
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