So the question is: If a a soldier is dishonorably discharged (as DADT dictates), is that individual still bound by military regulations for veterans?
If I understand DADT correctly the discharge is a general discharge under other than honorable conditions.
Civilians shorten that to 'Dishonorable Discharge' but that's not accurate. They aren't the same classification.
General discharges are for lots of different things. For instance, a person who joins the military but flunks basic used to be given a general discharge. Eventually the military realized that the civvies couldn't keep that straight from a dishonorable discharge and changed the policy so that they weren't 'discharged' at all - just kind of written off as though they had never joined up.
Dishonorable discharges are for those folks who have committed crimes and been kicked out of the military. Stealing, rape, robbing banks, desertion, that kind of thing.
General Discharge under other than honorable conditions are sort of administrative discharges. DADT falls under this category. It does still deny you your benefits etc. and is still generally seen as leaving under a cloud but it's not actually dishonorable.
And of course an Honorable Discharge is 'You completed your term of service and were discharged at the end having done your duty.' Full benefits etc. apply.
Most civilians, as I said, don't really get the distinction and think that there are only two.
As to the regs - I've never heard of them actually being enforced on someone who is no longer part of the military. It's probably happened, but I've never heard of it. So I don't honestly know.
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I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider
- 21/04/2010 05:29:45 AM
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...did you read the article? They aren't in the military any more. *NM*
- 21/04/2010 05:31:02 AM
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Really? A few months ago Lt. Choi was still in the military, I didn't realize he'd been discharged
- 21/04/2010 05:37:47 AM
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No, in or out it's a no-go
- 21/04/2010 05:48:25 AM
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There needs to be a rule that stops soldiers from wearing uniforms in bars
- 21/04/2010 06:55:37 AM
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Grabbing a beer with the guys after work is a pretty normal thing
- 21/04/2010 07:45:16 AM
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I've seen it.
- 21/04/2010 12:52:59 PM
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Not a very fair way to look at it
- 21/04/2010 02:10:47 PM
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perhaps not on its own
- 21/04/2010 07:06:09 PM
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Sadly that's not that uncommon
- 21/04/2010 07:27:45 PM
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to be honest, I've probably met plenty of wonderful military people in the bars
- 21/04/2010 07:41:30 PM
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every think the problem might be the uptight college kids? *NM*
- 22/04/2010 05:10:08 PM
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Excepting possibly finals period, I'm pretty sure "uptight college kid" is an oxymoron. *NM*
- 22/04/2010 07:07:58 PM
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uptight college kids don't go drink in Aggieville.
- 22/04/2010 07:17:17 PM
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The navy and Marine do have rules against it at least for working uniforms
- 21/04/2010 04:06:10 PM
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Like Buzz Aldrin wearing his on Dancing with the Stars. Ugh. *NM*
- 21/04/2010 02:37:59 PM
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well that was an air force uniform so it really doesn't count as military
- 21/04/2010 04:00:27 PM
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- 21/04/2010 04:00:27 PM
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I'll remind you of that next time you want air support ;-)
- 21/04/2010 06:00:32 PM
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I am a Marine we have our own air support
- 21/04/2010 06:15:01 PM
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- 21/04/2010 06:15:01 PM
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Yeah - some of it pretty good too but still all small stuff
- 21/04/2010 07:26:12 PM
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The F/A18 does OK
- 21/04/2010 10:11:13 PM
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It's all right, but not the best choice
- 22/04/2010 04:30:07 PM
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Hm. That seems to violate some significant 1st Amendment rights.
- 21/04/2010 07:00:59 PM
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you forget that the military sign away their rights. *NM*
- 21/04/2010 07:06:52 PM
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That's why I specified dishonorably discharged. They're no longer in the military.
- 21/04/2010 08:43:22 PM
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*shrug* sorry, I'm a bit cynical over how much the military EVER lets go.
- 21/04/2010 10:13:51 PM
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Re: I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider
- 21/04/2010 05:36:48 AM
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Not in uniform.
- 21/04/2010 05:38:50 AM
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oh puhlease
- 21/04/2010 05:43:15 AM
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It's not a just a piece of clothing, but I guess we'll agree to disagree on that.
- 21/04/2010 05:45:52 AM
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and another thing
- 21/04/2010 05:38:53 AM
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I'm on their side, BUT
- 21/04/2010 05:44:00 AM
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Well... it's a military policy. If they were protesting animal cruelty while wearing it, I'd agree
- 21/04/2010 06:53:36 AM
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What beetnemesis said. They're not talking about rights for all gays, but rights for gay soldiers.
- 21/04/2010 09:54:09 AM
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It's peaceful and non-violent. I see nothing wrong with them making their point in this in addition
- 21/04/2010 02:12:54 PM
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A soldier protesting a military doctrine has the right.
- 21/04/2010 02:28:40 PM
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they don't have the right to use the uniform to make that free expression *NM*
- 21/04/2010 02:39:45 PM
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Take it up with congress, the regulations are clear, no such right exists, it is expressly banned *NM*
- 21/04/2010 02:46:14 PM
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The uniform isn't just handed to you after Basic with no strings attached.
- 21/04/2010 03:04:32 PM
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The funny thing about it is
- 21/04/2010 03:35:51 PM
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Re: The funny thing about it is
- 21/04/2010 10:12:57 PM
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Actually -the question isn't right
- 22/04/2010 04:38:03 PM
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I think your attitude is likely to be common among active duty and vets alike.
- 21/04/2010 02:44:29 PM
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Actually, darlin', we don't have to convince them.
- 21/04/2010 03:34:49 PM
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very true
- 21/04/2010 03:51:49 PM
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But these men didn't disrespect anything.
- 21/04/2010 04:09:20 PM
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the problem is uniforms are about more than everyone dressing the same
- 21/04/2010 05:55:31 PM
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The statistics show that nearly 70% of Americans think gay men and women should serve openly.
- 21/04/2010 04:14:33 PM
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And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage.
- 21/04/2010 04:17:02 PM
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Re: And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage.
- 21/04/2010 04:25:46 PM
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That dude is all talk about everything.
- 21/04/2010 04:27:07 PM
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Well he wasn't all talk about Health care
- 22/04/2010 04:44:39 PM
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Yes, the main thing he has followed through on is the most disastrous.
- 22/04/2010 04:59:45 PM
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Civil disobedience against immoral government action often involves breaking the rules. *NM*
- 21/04/2010 03:37:36 PM
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Wow,
- 21/04/2010 04:04:42 PM
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I'm sure female protesters made a lot of people reconsider the suffrage movement.
- 21/04/2010 04:09:37 PM
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The bravey of those men is exactly what that 'clothing' stands for.
- 21/04/2010 04:20:19 PM
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