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Well he wasn't all talk about Health care SilverWarder Send a noteboard - 22/04/2010 04:44:39 PM
While not pertinent to the current topic, and whether you like or hate the changes made they DID go through.

And that certainly wasn't an easy thing.

I have to agree on this though. Were I president I'd have already said, "I'm the Commander and Chief and this stops now."

And I'd have made it retroactive and restored the benefits and careers of anyone who got kicked out over this idiot policy too.

Sheesh. Any moron who thinks that someone's sexual preferences influences how good a soldier they are need look no further than Thermopylae, Alexander the Great, Mithradates, or the Sacred Band of Thebes.

Well okay - maybe it does have an influence. If the examples I listed are taken into account (there is no question of them being believed) being gay or bisexual might well make you a BETTER soldier.


Oh and just to be fair - being a woman doesn't make you a crappy soldier either - particularly not in a world where upper body strength doesn't matter quite so much anymore. Just ask Xerxes after the Battle of Salamis.

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I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:29:45 AM 1373 Views
...did you read the article? They aren't in the military any more. *NM* Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 05:31:02 AM 408 Views
Really? A few months ago Lt. Choi was still in the military, I didn't realize he'd been discharged beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:37:47 AM 880 Views
No, in or out it's a no-go Isaac - 21/04/2010 05:48:25 AM 875 Views
There needs to be a rule that stops soldiers from wearing uniforms in bars beetnemesis - 21/04/2010 06:55:37 AM 809 Views
But if you aren't wearing your uniform at the bar... beckstcw - 21/04/2010 06:58:33 AM 810 Views
You wear a big sign that says I'M AWESOME: ASK ME HOW *NM* beetnemesis - 21/04/2010 07:01:45 AM 372 Views
Grabbing a beer with the guys after work is a pretty normal thing Isaac - 21/04/2010 07:45:16 AM 827 Views
I've seen it. LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 12:52:59 PM 809 Views
Not a very fair way to look at it Isaac - 21/04/2010 02:10:47 PM 847 Views
perhaps not on its own LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 07:06:09 PM 780 Views
Sadly that's not that uncommon SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 07:27:45 PM 889 Views
to be honest, I've probably met plenty of wonderful military people in the bars LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 07:41:30 PM 849 Views
Could be. SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:45:29 PM 806 Views
every think the problem might be the uptight college kids? *NM* random thoughts - 22/04/2010 05:10:08 PM 353 Views
Excepting possibly finals period, I'm pretty sure "uptight college kid" is an oxymoron. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/04/2010 07:07:58 PM 362 Views
uptight college kids don't go drink in Aggieville. LadyLorraine - 22/04/2010 07:17:17 PM 1035 Views
maybe I should have said stuck up college kids random thoughts - 22/04/2010 08:29:18 PM 947 Views
Uhm, no, college towns can be quite different. LadyLorraine - 22/04/2010 10:13:41 PM 762 Views
The navy and Marine do have rules against it at least for working uniforms random thoughts - 21/04/2010 04:06:10 PM 844 Views
Like Buzz Aldrin wearing his on Dancing with the Stars. Ugh. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 21/04/2010 02:37:59 PM 380 Views
I'll bet he got permission to do that though. SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 03:26:43 PM 823 Views
well that was an air force uniform so it really doesn't count as military random thoughts - 21/04/2010 04:00:27 PM 994 Views
I'll remind you of that next time you want air support ;-) SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 06:00:32 PM 861 Views
I am a Marine we have our own air support random thoughts - 21/04/2010 06:15:01 PM 779 Views
Yeah - some of it pretty good too but still all small stuff SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 07:26:12 PM 812 Views
The F/A18 does OK random thoughts - 21/04/2010 10:11:13 PM 743 Views
It's all right, but not the best choice SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:30:07 PM 809 Views
jack of all trades pretty much defines the Marines random thoughts - 22/04/2010 05:13:21 PM 1174 Views
Oh not entirely SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 09:54:21 PM 1089 Views
I second that UGH *NM* Aisha - 21/04/2010 10:30:35 PM 357 Views
Hm. That seems to violate some significant 1st Amendment rights. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 07:00:59 PM 805 Views
you forget that the military sign away their rights. *NM* LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 07:06:52 PM 389 Views
That's why I specified dishonorably discharged. They're no longer in the military. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 08:43:22 PM 824 Views
*shrug* sorry, I'm a bit cynical over how much the military EVER lets go. LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 10:13:51 PM 786 Views
Re: I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:36:48 AM 808 Views
Not in uniform. beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:38:50 AM 931 Views
oh puhlease Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:43:15 AM 867 Views
It's not a just a piece of clothing, but I guess we'll agree to disagree on that. beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:45:52 AM 846 Views
I agree with you, Aisha. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 02:15:30 PM 994 Views
and another thing Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:38:53 AM 843 Views
I'm on their side, BUT beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:44:00 AM 818 Views
Re: I'm on their side, BUT Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:57:50 AM 881 Views
Like I said, we simply disagree *NM* beckstcw - 21/04/2010 06:35:27 AM 404 Views
Thing is though SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 03:31:05 PM 921 Views
Well... it's a military policy. If they were protesting animal cruelty while wearing it, I'd agree beetnemesis - 21/04/2010 06:53:36 AM 1021 Views
What beetnemesis said. They're not talking about rights for all gays, but rights for gay soldiers. Tim - 21/04/2010 09:54:09 AM 782 Views
Sounds a bit like they are damned either way snoopcester - 21/04/2010 11:01:36 AM 826 Views
It's peaceful and non-violent. I see nothing wrong with them making their point in this in addition The Shrike - 21/04/2010 02:12:54 PM 783 Views
A soldier protesting a military doctrine has the right. Dannymac - 21/04/2010 02:28:40 PM 895 Views
Re: A soldier protesting a military doctrine has the right. Aisha - 21/04/2010 02:34:34 PM 816 Views
they don't have the right to use the uniform to make that free expression *NM* random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:39:45 PM 349 Views
Take it up with congress, the regulations are clear, no such right exists, it is expressly banned *NM* Isaac - 21/04/2010 02:46:14 PM 318 Views
The uniform isn't just handed to you after Basic with no strings attached. beckstcw - 21/04/2010 03:04:32 PM 888 Views
The funny thing about it is SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 03:35:51 PM 924 Views
Re: The funny thing about it is Bored - 21/04/2010 10:12:57 PM 783 Views
Actually -the question isn't right SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:38:03 PM 689 Views
What's bugging me is that Choi is still in Isaac - 22/04/2010 04:44:50 PM 752 Views
Is he? SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:47:37 PM 822 Views
Apparently Isaac - 22/04/2010 05:12:44 PM 928 Views
I think your attitude is likely to be common among active duty and vets alike. Sareitha Sedai - 21/04/2010 02:44:29 PM 811 Views
Actually, darlin', we don't have to convince them. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 03:34:49 PM 805 Views
very true random thoughts - 21/04/2010 03:51:49 PM 840 Views
But these men didn't disrespect anything. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:09:20 PM 875 Views
the problem is uniforms are about more than everyone dressing the same random thoughts - 21/04/2010 05:55:31 PM 861 Views
The statistics show that nearly 70% of Americans think gay men and women should serve openly. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:14:33 PM 771 Views
And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:17:02 PM 802 Views
Re: And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:25:46 PM 827 Views
That dude is all talk about everything. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:27:07 PM 930 Views
Well he wasn't all talk about Health care SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:44:39 PM 902 Views
Yes, the main thing he has followed through on is the most disastrous. LiterateDog - 22/04/2010 04:59:45 PM 671 Views
Well, I'm not convinced on that SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 10:02:58 PM 1135 Views
and I think they will get it random thoughts - 21/04/2010 06:05:07 PM 931 Views
Civil disobedience against immoral government action often involves breaking the rules. *NM* LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 PM 388 Views
Wow, The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:04:42 PM 800 Views
I'm sure female protesters made a lot of people reconsider the suffrage movement. Dreaded Anomaly - 21/04/2010 04:09:37 PM 952 Views
Le sigh. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:16:17 PM 771 Views
The bravey of those men is exactly what that 'clothing' stands for. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:20:19 PM 885 Views
The above post was sarcasm, in case that wasn't clear... Dreaded Anomaly - 21/04/2010 04:43:44 PM 866 Views
I knew it was sarcasm. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:54:11 PM 786 Views
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