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Apparently Isaac Send a noteboard - 22/04/2010 05:12:44 PM
I had thought he was out.


Nope, I was trying to find what his discharge actually was under much the same reasoning as you mentioned above, turns out he's still in.

Perhaps he's in some kind of weird limbo while things are processed. The military loves that one.


Oh yeah, I've seen it takes years, especially when it's being fought and no one really wants to be the person who signs off on it. He's in the guard in New York now, transferring from active in '08, a little surprising then that as a west point grad in '03 he was still a 1LT not CPT so that is kinda raising my eyebrow.

Choi's a brave man and a good officer. He may well have made a mistake in this one by standing up for what he believes in - but you know, that kind of is what the US is based on.


Brave I'll give him, good officer I have no idea, I'm not going to pin imaginary medals or misconduct on him for his political activity. But courage is not in my opinion a trait lacking in most service members, I have never worn my uniform to any political event. I don't really want to see the man crucified over this, but I do think he and the others, especially any that are still in or haven't completed their 8 years of MSO, should apologize to the rest of us for doing this. I appreciate civil disobedience but keyword is 'civil' or 'civilian', I don't want any precedent set that this sort of thing is okay to do or every rally and protest will feature soldiers in uniform decrying this or that, from the relatively mainstream like this or a pro-choice/life rally to someone attending a Klan-meet just to be a prick. I like our current rule the way it is, keep your head down politically, don't use your uniform as political statement. I appreciate and respect what he's doing but I think he crossed the line on this.
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I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:29:45 AM 1395 Views
...did you read the article? They aren't in the military any more. *NM* Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 05:31:02 AM 415 Views
Really? A few months ago Lt. Choi was still in the military, I didn't realize he'd been discharged beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:37:47 AM 901 Views
No, in or out it's a no-go Isaac - 21/04/2010 05:48:25 AM 899 Views
There needs to be a rule that stops soldiers from wearing uniforms in bars beetnemesis - 21/04/2010 06:55:37 AM 827 Views
But if you aren't wearing your uniform at the bar... beckstcw - 21/04/2010 06:58:33 AM 829 Views
You wear a big sign that says I'M AWESOME: ASK ME HOW *NM* beetnemesis - 21/04/2010 07:01:45 AM 380 Views
Grabbing a beer with the guys after work is a pretty normal thing Isaac - 21/04/2010 07:45:16 AM 843 Views
I've seen it. LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 12:52:59 PM 829 Views
Not a very fair way to look at it Isaac - 21/04/2010 02:10:47 PM 869 Views
perhaps not on its own LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 07:06:09 PM 802 Views
Sadly that's not that uncommon SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 07:27:45 PM 910 Views
to be honest, I've probably met plenty of wonderful military people in the bars LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 07:41:30 PM 889 Views
Could be. SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:45:29 PM 829 Views
every think the problem might be the uptight college kids? *NM* random thoughts - 22/04/2010 05:10:08 PM 361 Views
Excepting possibly finals period, I'm pretty sure "uptight college kid" is an oxymoron. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/04/2010 07:07:58 PM 370 Views
uptight college kids don't go drink in Aggieville. LadyLorraine - 22/04/2010 07:17:17 PM 1057 Views
maybe I should have said stuck up college kids random thoughts - 22/04/2010 08:29:18 PM 967 Views
Uhm, no, college towns can be quite different. LadyLorraine - 22/04/2010 10:13:41 PM 784 Views
The navy and Marine do have rules against it at least for working uniforms random thoughts - 21/04/2010 04:06:10 PM 866 Views
Like Buzz Aldrin wearing his on Dancing with the Stars. Ugh. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 21/04/2010 02:37:59 PM 387 Views
I'll bet he got permission to do that though. SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 03:26:43 PM 844 Views
well that was an air force uniform so it really doesn't count as military random thoughts - 21/04/2010 04:00:27 PM 1015 Views
I'll remind you of that next time you want air support ;-) SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 06:00:32 PM 888 Views
I am a Marine we have our own air support random thoughts - 21/04/2010 06:15:01 PM 796 Views
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The F/A18 does OK random thoughts - 21/04/2010 10:11:13 PM 763 Views
It's all right, but not the best choice SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:30:07 PM 829 Views
jack of all trades pretty much defines the Marines random thoughts - 22/04/2010 05:13:21 PM 1215 Views
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I second that UGH *NM* Aisha - 21/04/2010 10:30:35 PM 366 Views
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you forget that the military sign away their rights. *NM* LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 07:06:52 PM 399 Views
That's why I specified dishonorably discharged. They're no longer in the military. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 08:43:22 PM 846 Views
*shrug* sorry, I'm a bit cynical over how much the military EVER lets go. LadyLorraine - 21/04/2010 10:13:51 PM 810 Views
Re: I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:36:48 AM 835 Views
Not in uniform. beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:38:50 AM 965 Views
oh puhlease Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:43:15 AM 892 Views
It's not a just a piece of clothing, but I guess we'll agree to disagree on that. beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:45:52 AM 864 Views
I agree with you, Aisha. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 02:15:30 PM 1016 Views
and another thing Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:38:53 AM 862 Views
I'm on their side, BUT beckstcw - 21/04/2010 05:44:00 AM 841 Views
Re: I'm on their side, BUT Aisha - 21/04/2010 05:57:50 AM 904 Views
Like I said, we simply disagree *NM* beckstcw - 21/04/2010 06:35:27 AM 410 Views
Thing is though SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 03:31:05 PM 945 Views
Well... it's a military policy. If they were protesting animal cruelty while wearing it, I'd agree beetnemesis - 21/04/2010 06:53:36 AM 1043 Views
What beetnemesis said. They're not talking about rights for all gays, but rights for gay soldiers. Tim - 21/04/2010 09:54:09 AM 802 Views
Sounds a bit like they are damned either way snoopcester - 21/04/2010 11:01:36 AM 845 Views
It's peaceful and non-violent. I see nothing wrong with them making their point in this in addition The Shrike - 21/04/2010 02:12:54 PM 813 Views
A soldier protesting a military doctrine has the right. Dannymac - 21/04/2010 02:28:40 PM 918 Views
Re: A soldier protesting a military doctrine has the right. Aisha - 21/04/2010 02:34:34 PM 836 Views
they don't have the right to use the uniform to make that free expression *NM* random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:39:45 PM 356 Views
Take it up with congress, the regulations are clear, no such right exists, it is expressly banned *NM* Isaac - 21/04/2010 02:46:14 PM 326 Views
The uniform isn't just handed to you after Basic with no strings attached. beckstcw - 21/04/2010 03:04:32 PM 933 Views
The funny thing about it is SilverWarder - 21/04/2010 03:35:51 PM 944 Views
Re: The funny thing about it is Bored - 21/04/2010 10:12:57 PM 802 Views
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What's bugging me is that Choi is still in Isaac - 22/04/2010 04:44:50 PM 775 Views
Is he? SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:47:37 PM 841 Views
Apparently Isaac - 22/04/2010 05:12:44 PM 946 Views
I think your attitude is likely to be common among active duty and vets alike. Sareitha Sedai - 21/04/2010 02:44:29 PM 832 Views
Actually, darlin', we don't have to convince them. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 03:34:49 PM 825 Views
very true random thoughts - 21/04/2010 03:51:49 PM 865 Views
But these men didn't disrespect anything. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:09:20 PM 898 Views
the problem is uniforms are about more than everyone dressing the same random thoughts - 21/04/2010 05:55:31 PM 885 Views
The statistics show that nearly 70% of Americans think gay men and women should serve openly. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:14:33 PM 793 Views
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Re: And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:25:46 PM 850 Views
That dude is all talk about everything. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:27:07 PM 953 Views
Well he wasn't all talk about Health care SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 04:44:39 PM 922 Views
Yes, the main thing he has followed through on is the most disastrous. LiterateDog - 22/04/2010 04:59:45 PM 695 Views
Well, I'm not convinced on that SilverWarder - 22/04/2010 10:02:58 PM 1163 Views
and I think they will get it random thoughts - 21/04/2010 06:05:07 PM 956 Views
Civil disobedience against immoral government action often involves breaking the rules. *NM* LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 PM 396 Views
Wow, The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:04:42 PM 822 Views
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Le sigh. The Shrike - 21/04/2010 04:16:17 PM 794 Views
The bravey of those men is exactly what that 'clothing' stands for. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:20:19 PM 906 Views
The above post was sarcasm, in case that wasn't clear... Dreaded Anomaly - 21/04/2010 04:43:44 PM 890 Views
I knew it was sarcasm. LiterateDog - 21/04/2010 04:54:11 PM 808 Views
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