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The Arizona immigration bill thingy BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 26/04/2010 12:57:20 AM
So apparently it will require people to carry proof of citizenship on their person, if I understand correctly.

As a non-obvious :rolleyes: US citizen, this makes me pretty uncomfortable and is yet another sign of the creeping Police State, IMO. As a friend mentioned to me, the concerns will probably be made moot by the Obamacare IDs that will be sent out :tinfoilhat: :P


Arizona Enacts Stringent Law on Immigration
By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD
PHOENIX — Gov. Jan Brewer of Arizona signed the nation’s toughest bill on illegal immigration into law on Friday. Its aim is to identify, prosecute and deport illegal immigrants.

The move unleashed immediate protests and reignited the divisive battle over immigration reform nationally.

Even before she signed the bill at an afternoon news conference here, President Obama strongly criticized it.

Speaking at a naturalization ceremony for 24 active-duty service members in the Rose Garden, he called for a federal overhaul of immigration laws, which Congressional leaders signaled they were preparing to take up soon, to avoid “irresponsibility by others.”

The Arizona law, he added, threatened “to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans, as well as the trust between police and our communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe.”

The law, which proponents and critics alike said was the broadest and strictest immigration measure in generations, would make the failure to carry immigration documents a crime and give the police broad power to detain anyone suspected of being in the country illegally. Opponents have called it an open invitation for harassment and discrimination against Hispanics regardless of their citizenship status.

The political debate leading up to Ms. Brewer’s decision, and Mr. Obama’s criticism of the law — presidents very rarely weigh in on state legislation — underscored the power of the immigration debate in states along the Mexican border. It presaged the polarizing arguments that await the president and Congress as they take up the issue nationally.

Mexico’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement that it was worried about the rights of its citizens and relations with Arizona. Cardinal Roger M. Mahony of Los Angeles said the authorities’ ability to demand documents was like “Nazism.”

As hundreds of demonstrators massed, mostly peacefully, at the capitol plaza, the governor, speaking at a state building a few miles away, said the law “represents another tool for our state to use as we work to solve a crisis we did not create and the federal government has refused to fix.”

The law was to take effect 90 days after the legislative session ends, meaning by August. Court challenges were expected immediately.

Hispanics, in particular, who were not long ago courted by the Republican Party as a swing voting bloc, railed against the law as a recipe for racial and ethnic profiling. “Governor Brewer caved to the radical fringe,” a statement by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund said, predicting that the law would create “a spiral of pervasive fear, community distrust, increased crime and costly litigation, with nationwide repercussions.”

While police demands of documents are common on subways, highways and in public places in some countries, including France, Arizona is the first state to demand that immigrants meet federal requirements to carry identity documents legitimizing their presence on American soil.

Ms. Brewer acknowledged critics’ concerns, saying she would work to ensure that the police have proper training to carry out the law. But she sided with arguments by the law’s sponsors that it provides an indispensable tool for the police in a border state that is a leading magnet of illegal immigration. She said racial profiling would not be tolerated, adding, “We have to trust our law enforcement.”

Ms. Brewer and other elected leaders have come under intense political pressure here, made worse by the killing of a rancher in southern Arizona by a suspected smuggler a couple of weeks before the State Legislature voted on the bill. His death was invoked Thursday by Ms. Brewer herself, as she announced a plan urging the federal government to post National Guard troops at the border.

President George W. Bush had attempted comprehensive reform but failed when his own party split over the issue. Once again, Republicans facing primary challenges from the right, including Ms. Brewer and Senator John McCain, have come under tremendous pressure to support the Arizona law, known as SB 1070.

Mr. McCain, locked in a primary with a challenger campaigning on immigration, only came out in support of the law hours before the State Senate passed it Monday afternoon.

Governor Brewer, even after the Senate passed the bill, had been silent on whether she would sign it. Though she was widely expected to, given her primary challenge, she refused to state her position even at a dinner on Thursday for a Hispanic social service organization, Chicanos Por La Causa, where several audience members called out “Veto!”

Among other things, the Arizona measure is an extraordinary rebuke to former Gov. Janet Napolitano, who had vetoed similar legislation repeatedly as a Democratic governor of the state before being appointed Homeland Security secretary by Mr. Obama.

The law opens a deep fissure in Arizona, with a majority of the thousands of callers to the governor’s office urging her to reject it.

In the days leading up to Ms. Brewer’s decision, Representative Raúl M. Grijalva, a Democrat, called for a convention boycott of his state.

The bill, sponsored by Russell Pearce, a state senator and a firebrand on immigration issues, has several provisions.

It requires police officers, “when practicable,” to detain people they reasonably suspect are in the country without authorization and to verify their status with federal officials, unless doing so would hinder an investigation or emergency medical treatment.

It also makes it a state crime — a misdemeanor — to not carry immigration papers. In addition, it allows people to sue local government or agencies if they believe federal or state immigration law is not being enforced.

States across the country have proposed or enacted hundreds of bills addressing immigration since 2007, the last time a federal effort to reform immigration law collapsed. Last year, there were a record number of laws enacted (222) and resolutions (131) in 48 states, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

The prospect of plunging into a national immigration debate is being increasingly talked about on Capitol Hill, spurred in part by recent statements by Senator Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, the majority leader, that he intends to bring legislation to the Senate floor after Memorial Day.

But while an immigration debate could help energize Hispanic voters and provide political benefits to embattled Democrats seeking re-election in November — like Mr. Reid — it could also energize conservative voters.

It could also take time from other Democratic priorities, including an energy measure that Speaker Nancy Pelosi has described as her flagship issue.

Mr. Reid declined Thursday to say that immigration would take precedence over an energy measure. But he called it an imperative: “The system is broken,” he said.

Ms. Pelosi and Representative Steny H. Hoyer, Democrat of Maryland and the majority leader, have said that the House would be willing to take up immigration policy only if the Senate produces a bill first.


Helene Cooper and Carl Hulse contributed reporting from Washington.


This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: April 23, 2010


A earlier version of this article misspelled the last name of the Arizona state senator who sponsored several provisions of the bill. He is Russell Pearce, not Pierce.
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The Arizona immigration bill thingy - 26/04/2010 12:57:20 AM 2123 Views
what do you expect from one of the last states to accept MLK day? - 26/04/2010 01:19:03 AM 1220 Views
Yes, well, at least you are in the 27% of Americans that have a Passport. - 26/04/2010 01:48:44 AM 1033 Views
Such a wrongheaded law. - 26/04/2010 02:25:10 AM 935 Views
A lot of stuff makes me go "whuh?" legally. - 26/04/2010 03:38:12 AM 814 Views
Sounds like apartheid in SA... - 26/04/2010 02:36:52 AM 977 Views
As bad as the law is, that's an ignorant statement. *NM* - 26/04/2010 02:38:16 AM 454 Views
Re: Sounds like apartheid in SA... - 26/04/2010 05:13:17 AM 1081 Views
It shows that Arizona is already lost - 26/04/2010 03:09:24 AM 972 Views
Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border - 26/04/2010 06:19:24 AM 927 Views
Oh please! The immigration and drug problems don't justify bad legislation. - 26/04/2010 07:02:54 AM 942 Views
I do. - 26/04/2010 07:11:10 AM 1102 Views
Re: I do. - 26/04/2010 07:45:21 AM 933 Views
Yeah, I saw an interview with a former U.S. Drug Czar - 26/04/2010 06:35:10 PM 909 Views
Okay, I grew up in Arizona. - 26/04/2010 12:41:21 PM 1131 Views
Re: Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border - 26/04/2010 03:58:37 PM 1009 Views
looks like somebody doesn't quite get the point - 29/04/2010 06:18:58 AM 1578 Views
Some thoughts - 26/04/2010 06:42:02 AM 1047 Views
I wouldn't worry to much laws like that - 26/04/2010 03:03:16 PM 922 Views
patriot act gives that to any federal law enforcement officer - 29/04/2010 06:13:38 AM 1018 Views
Re: Some thoughts - 26/04/2010 04:04:55 PM 911 Views
Sounds more like a bill to convince people they are doing something than to do something - 26/04/2010 12:43:19 PM 910 Views
What I find interesting about all this... - 26/04/2010 01:06:08 PM 1018 Views
well you see, that IS part of the problem - 26/04/2010 01:13:19 PM 1009 Views
Re: What I find interesting about all this... - 26/04/2010 03:52:09 PM 948 Views
Perhaps I'm wrong, but... - 26/04/2010 01:49:13 PM 907 Views
I don't know about the green cards - 26/04/2010 03:05:49 PM 938 Views
That last point doesn't really make any sense. - 26/04/2010 03:20:19 PM 930 Views
my point was that the punishments for the similar crimes are so different. - 26/04/2010 04:23:08 PM 879 Views
Hey, I think it's an appalling law. - 27/04/2010 02:24:30 PM 1023 Views
Re: Perhaps I'm wrong, but... - 26/04/2010 03:41:47 PM 847 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass - 26/04/2010 02:59:11 PM 978 Views
The law will most likely not be overturned. - 26/04/2010 03:13:24 PM 919 Views
I meant by the courts - 27/04/2010 03:49:11 PM 824 Views
ah well. that'd be nice, then. *NM* - 27/04/2010 05:14:31 PM 431 Views
It's interesting how this sort of mirrors the Belgian issues. - 26/04/2010 03:34:59 PM 915 Views
the "overrunning" of culture and language is exaggerated, imo - 26/04/2010 04:34:56 PM 939 Views
I think the primary problem - in both cases - is language, yes. - 26/04/2010 04:54:55 PM 957 Views
*shrug* I don't know. I just think that people are way too uptight about the issue - 26/04/2010 05:02:30 PM 883 Views
I agree with you - 26/04/2010 05:26:47 PM 903 Views
that is also true - 26/04/2010 05:44:40 PM 847 Views
There is a difference between assimilating and being assimilated - 27/04/2010 04:09:19 PM 923 Views
the differences really are not that minor - 28/04/2010 06:49:33 PM 945 Views
hmm, see - 28/04/2010 07:10:42 PM 839 Views
I am from San Antonio I have always been able to buy burritos from my neighbors - 28/04/2010 08:28:45 PM 857 Views
mmmm Tamale. - 28/04/2010 08:53:13 PM 877 Views
a minor point.... - 29/04/2010 06:30:22 AM 952 Views
I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute - 26/04/2010 09:05:21 PM 1149 Views
Re: I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute - 26/04/2010 11:48:14 PM 1258 Views
you are correct - 29/04/2010 06:39:29 AM 1284 Views
Uhm, how is that "worst" case scenario? - 27/04/2010 01:28:28 PM 911 Views
Worst reasonable case scenario - 28/04/2010 06:48:29 PM 845 Views
Will the will of the people of Arizona be respected? - 27/04/2010 12:12:46 AM 1000 Views
That's funny... - 27/04/2010 01:57:14 AM 1222 Views
echo chamber much? - 27/04/2010 04:14:53 PM 974 Views
there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. - 27/04/2010 05:19:29 PM 850 Views
Re: there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. - 28/04/2010 12:40:42 PM 909 Views
Those incidents are horrible - 28/04/2010 01:07:39 PM 884 Views
Re: That's funny... - 28/04/2010 12:30:41 PM 915 Views
And this law will not give them what they want - 28/04/2010 01:12:50 PM 931 Views
Also, the potential economic consequences of the law could be severe for Arizona. - 27/04/2010 01:03:54 AM 942 Views
now that's just crazy talk. - 27/04/2010 01:58:42 AM 869 Views
activist group liberal group claims it will cost money, what a shocker *NM* - 27/04/2010 04:23:11 PM 394 Views
It will cost money - 27/04/2010 09:16:31 PM 928 Views
but all of that ignores the long term savings - 28/04/2010 03:24:50 PM 857 Views
it's less a matter of american tourism - 28/04/2010 04:06:50 PM 903 Views
if they law is enforced it will decrease the number of illegals who go to Arizona - 28/04/2010 06:35:26 PM 967 Views
I will admit - 28/04/2010 07:01:55 PM 883 Views
there have always been bad cops and there always will be - 28/04/2010 08:53:50 PM 851 Views
I don't see any real long term savings coming from this. - 28/04/2010 10:17:26 PM 958 Views
70% of the people in Arizona support the new law and 30% of the state is Hispanic - 28/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1115 Views
real science? - 28/04/2010 11:06:13 PM 899 Views
I linked to it further up the thread and you responded - 28/04/2010 11:19:51 PM 882 Views
ah, I think I missed it for some reason - 29/04/2010 12:18:13 AM 952 Views
who has time to read all of this crap *NM* - 29/04/2010 04:26:11 AM 382 Views
I'm familiar with the Rasmussen poll - 28/04/2010 11:31:30 PM 1195 Views
Here's Judge Napolitano's response to this - 27/04/2010 02:19:49 PM 893 Views

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