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I do. Brian Send a noteboard - 26/04/2010 07:11:10 AM
Live close to the Mexican border and then weigh in on the issue. Illegal immigration is a HUGE problem. Undocumented workers are only making the unemployment problem bigger. Oh, and just a little tiny note, the drug cartels involved in the drug trade from Mexico are INSANE! (By the way, people who dabble in "recreational" drugs, do you know you are furthering the slaughter of thousands of people every year?)

I've spent plenty of time in the border areas, I lived in San Diego for years, spent quite a bit of time in El Paso and Yuma, and have now lived in San Antonio (which isn't exactly a border city, but it's close enough to the border that we see plenty of the problems just south of us) for quite some time.

I honestly think that this type of law is going to do nothing to stem the problem. Basically all it will do is give the police a ticket to harass Latinos in the area. If they really wanted to crack down on illegal immigrants they'd start really going after the businesses that employ them. When you start shutting down enough businesses, eventually people are going to stop risking losing their business and start hiring legal workers. Additionally if this happens, people are going to have to get used to paying the increased costs that are associated with an entirely legal workforce.

As far as the drug cartel...this is going to do absolutely nothing to stem that problem. I have no idea how to address that problem, but you are right, it is absolutely insane. It seems like it has gotten progressively worse over the last 10 years. I lay much of the blame for this at our own feet. Our own war on illegal drugs has created the massively profitable market, and has also broken up many of the largest cartels. While breaking up the large cartels sounds like a good idea on paper, it seems to have left a power vacuum, which resulted in many smaller cartels struggling for power, with the end result being the increased violence that we are seeing now.
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The Arizona immigration bill thingy - 26/04/2010 12:57:20 AM 2123 Views
what do you expect from one of the last states to accept MLK day? - 26/04/2010 01:19:03 AM 1220 Views
Yes, well, at least you are in the 27% of Americans that have a Passport. - 26/04/2010 01:48:44 AM 1033 Views
Such a wrongheaded law. - 26/04/2010 02:25:10 AM 935 Views
A lot of stuff makes me go "whuh?" legally. - 26/04/2010 03:38:12 AM 815 Views
Sounds like apartheid in SA... - 26/04/2010 02:36:52 AM 978 Views
As bad as the law is, that's an ignorant statement. *NM* - 26/04/2010 02:38:16 AM 455 Views
Re: Sounds like apartheid in SA... - 26/04/2010 05:13:17 AM 1082 Views
It shows that Arizona is already lost - 26/04/2010 03:09:24 AM 972 Views
Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border - 26/04/2010 06:19:24 AM 927 Views
Oh please! The immigration and drug problems don't justify bad legislation. - 26/04/2010 07:02:54 AM 943 Views
I do. - 26/04/2010 07:11:10 AM 1103 Views
Re: I do. - 26/04/2010 07:45:21 AM 933 Views
Yeah, I saw an interview with a former U.S. Drug Czar - 26/04/2010 06:35:10 PM 909 Views
Okay, I grew up in Arizona. - 26/04/2010 12:41:21 PM 1131 Views
Re: Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border - 26/04/2010 03:58:37 PM 1010 Views
looks like somebody doesn't quite get the point - 29/04/2010 06:18:58 AM 1578 Views
Some thoughts - 26/04/2010 06:42:02 AM 1047 Views
I wouldn't worry to much laws like that - 26/04/2010 03:03:16 PM 923 Views
patriot act gives that to any federal law enforcement officer - 29/04/2010 06:13:38 AM 1018 Views
Re: Some thoughts - 26/04/2010 04:04:55 PM 911 Views
Sounds more like a bill to convince people they are doing something than to do something - 26/04/2010 12:43:19 PM 910 Views
What I find interesting about all this... - 26/04/2010 01:06:08 PM 1019 Views
well you see, that IS part of the problem - 26/04/2010 01:13:19 PM 1009 Views
Re: What I find interesting about all this... - 26/04/2010 03:52:09 PM 949 Views
Perhaps I'm wrong, but... - 26/04/2010 01:49:13 PM 907 Views
I don't know about the green cards - 26/04/2010 03:05:49 PM 938 Views
That last point doesn't really make any sense. - 26/04/2010 03:20:19 PM 931 Views
my point was that the punishments for the similar crimes are so different. - 26/04/2010 04:23:08 PM 880 Views
Hey, I think it's an appalling law. - 27/04/2010 02:24:30 PM 1024 Views
Re: Perhaps I'm wrong, but... - 26/04/2010 03:41:47 PM 847 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass - 26/04/2010 02:59:11 PM 979 Views
The law will most likely not be overturned. - 26/04/2010 03:13:24 PM 920 Views
I meant by the courts - 27/04/2010 03:49:11 PM 825 Views
ah well. that'd be nice, then. *NM* - 27/04/2010 05:14:31 PM 432 Views
It's interesting how this sort of mirrors the Belgian issues. - 26/04/2010 03:34:59 PM 915 Views
the "overrunning" of culture and language is exaggerated, imo - 26/04/2010 04:34:56 PM 939 Views
I think the primary problem - in both cases - is language, yes. - 26/04/2010 04:54:55 PM 957 Views
*shrug* I don't know. I just think that people are way too uptight about the issue - 26/04/2010 05:02:30 PM 884 Views
I agree with you - 26/04/2010 05:26:47 PM 904 Views
that is also true - 26/04/2010 05:44:40 PM 848 Views
There is a difference between assimilating and being assimilated - 27/04/2010 04:09:19 PM 924 Views
the differences really are not that minor - 28/04/2010 06:49:33 PM 945 Views
hmm, see - 28/04/2010 07:10:42 PM 840 Views
I am from San Antonio I have always been able to buy burritos from my neighbors - 28/04/2010 08:28:45 PM 857 Views
mmmm Tamale. - 28/04/2010 08:53:13 PM 878 Views
a minor point.... - 29/04/2010 06:30:22 AM 952 Views
I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute - 26/04/2010 09:05:21 PM 1149 Views
Re: I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute - 26/04/2010 11:48:14 PM 1258 Views
you are correct - 29/04/2010 06:39:29 AM 1284 Views
Uhm, how is that "worst" case scenario? - 27/04/2010 01:28:28 PM 912 Views
Worst reasonable case scenario - 28/04/2010 06:48:29 PM 845 Views
Will the will of the people of Arizona be respected? - 27/04/2010 12:12:46 AM 1001 Views
That's funny... - 27/04/2010 01:57:14 AM 1223 Views
echo chamber much? - 27/04/2010 04:14:53 PM 974 Views
there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. - 27/04/2010 05:19:29 PM 850 Views
Re: there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. - 28/04/2010 12:40:42 PM 909 Views
Those incidents are horrible - 28/04/2010 01:07:39 PM 884 Views
Re: That's funny... - 28/04/2010 12:30:41 PM 916 Views
And this law will not give them what they want - 28/04/2010 01:12:50 PM 931 Views
Also, the potential economic consequences of the law could be severe for Arizona. - 27/04/2010 01:03:54 AM 942 Views
now that's just crazy talk. - 27/04/2010 01:58:42 AM 870 Views
activist group liberal group claims it will cost money, what a shocker *NM* - 27/04/2010 04:23:11 PM 395 Views
It will cost money - 27/04/2010 09:16:31 PM 928 Views
but all of that ignores the long term savings - 28/04/2010 03:24:50 PM 857 Views
it's less a matter of american tourism - 28/04/2010 04:06:50 PM 904 Views
if they law is enforced it will decrease the number of illegals who go to Arizona - 28/04/2010 06:35:26 PM 968 Views
I will admit - 28/04/2010 07:01:55 PM 884 Views
there have always been bad cops and there always will be - 28/04/2010 08:53:50 PM 852 Views
I don't see any real long term savings coming from this. - 28/04/2010 10:17:26 PM 958 Views
70% of the people in Arizona support the new law and 30% of the state is Hispanic - 28/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1116 Views
real science? - 28/04/2010 11:06:13 PM 899 Views
I linked to it further up the thread and you responded - 28/04/2010 11:19:51 PM 883 Views
ah, I think I missed it for some reason - 29/04/2010 12:18:13 AM 952 Views
who has time to read all of this crap *NM* - 29/04/2010 04:26:11 AM 382 Views
I'm familiar with the Rasmussen poll - 28/04/2010 11:31:30 PM 1195 Views
Here's Judge Napolitano's response to this - 27/04/2010 02:19:49 PM 894 Views

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