I don't see any real long term savings coming from this.
Libby Send a noteboard - 28/04/2010 10:17:26 PM
If Arizona can discourage illegal immigrants from crossing and staying in their state then they avoid a lot cost. Illegals rely heavily on county hospitals and a small reduction in that would more then make up for increased cost of policing. Not that I really believe there will be much increased cost in policing since reducing illegal aliens will reduce their overall crime rate.
The state's economy will be hampered by the large scale loss of workers. While wages may rise, that means the price of services will definitely be higher. Businesses, especially small ones that rely on those workers, will have a hard time expanding. They also lose out on sales-tax revenue and even property-tax revenue. Also, it's not only a question of illegal immigrants, Arizona reps are concerned that legal immigrants and U.S. citizens (mainly Hispanics) might also leave the state.
Early studies in California and in the Southwest and in the Southeast have come to the same conclusions. Immigrants, documented and undocumented, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by undocumented immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of.
I am not sure how this is supposed to have a negative impact on their tourism. Do you really think people will stay away from Arizona because they have less illegal aliens? I know it pisses on the liberals but to other 80% of the country will cheer them. If anything it will increase their tourism but making people believe it is safer.
Well, first of all, I seriously doubt 80% of the country support it - I have not seen any poll numbers that say that. If this law is so popular nationally as you say, then why has so few front-running republican candidates embraced the new law?
Considering Latino/Hispanics are the largest minority group, largest growing demographic, and largest growing voting bloc in America. It's fair to say that most latino/hispanic Americans are upset about the law. It's very likely (considering I was just reading about it this morning) that there will be boycotts from groups, business, and individuals. If a boycott is so unlikely, then why are Arizona tourism officials are taking steps at damage control? Heck, just ask the The Arizona Hotel & Lodging Association, they're certainly concerned. Tourism is a lucrative industry in Arizona, the state hosted more than 37 million domestic and international visitors in 2008.
Now I'm just saying what's happening and potential consequences that might happen. My personal feelings on this, let me be clear, I think it's unfair for a business in a state to be punished for what a state government does, it's not like they had anything to do with the new law, so taking out any ire on them is really unfair. But this is a really emotional issue for certain groups. Which is why on a national level, neither Republicans nor Democrats really want to address this issue. It is too emotional, people have a visceral connection to their position and it will be too hard to educate the people to the truths of the situation.
This message last edited by Libby on 28/04/2010 at 10:24:13 PM
The Arizona immigration bill thingy
- 26/04/2010 12:57:20 AM
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what do you expect from one of the last states to accept MLK day?
- 26/04/2010 01:19:03 AM
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Yes, well, at least you are in the 27% of Americans that have a Passport.
- 26/04/2010 01:48:44 AM
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It will only take a few times getting their asses sued off for detaining U.S. citizens against...
- 26/04/2010 05:54:49 AM
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Yeah, I can't wait 'til a Latino state representative is arrested for looking illegal.
- 26/04/2010 07:26:13 AM
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or even better, a celebrity. I choose Antonia Banderas (when he has the funky beard hobo look) *NM*
- 26/04/2010 12:32:18 PM
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Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border
- 26/04/2010 06:19:24 AM
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Oh please! The immigration and drug problems don't justify bad legislation.
- 26/04/2010 07:02:54 AM
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Some thoughts
- 26/04/2010 06:42:02 AM
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It's not just outrageous; it's plain stupid. The latter is almost as offensive as the former.
- 26/04/2010 07:30:30 AM
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Sounds more like a bill to convince people they are doing something than to do something
- 26/04/2010 12:43:19 PM
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What I find interesting about all this...
- 26/04/2010 01:06:08 PM
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It is interesting to see how it contrasts with your take on it, being from a country with them
- 26/04/2010 02:11:18 PM
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Perhaps I'm wrong, but...
- 26/04/2010 01:49:13 PM
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I don't know about the green cards
- 26/04/2010 03:05:49 PM
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That last point doesn't really make any sense.
- 26/04/2010 03:20:19 PM
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my point was that the punishments for the similar crimes are so different.
- 26/04/2010 04:23:08 PM
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The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass
- 26/04/2010 02:59:11 PM
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The law will most likely not be overturned.
- 26/04/2010 03:13:24 PM
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The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM*
- 26/04/2010 03:20:45 PM
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The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM*
- 26/04/2010 06:53:32 PM
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The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM*
- 26/04/2010 08:33:04 PM
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The federal government will be collective ass but it may help to get the law off their overturned *NM*
- 27/04/2010 05:33:42 AM
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Their collective ass will be overturned but it may help to get the law off the federal government *NM*
- 27/04/2010 09:18:02 AM
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It's interesting how this sort of mirrors the Belgian issues.
- 26/04/2010 03:34:59 PM
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the "overrunning" of culture and language is exaggerated, imo
- 26/04/2010 04:34:56 PM
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I think the primary problem - in both cases - is language, yes.
- 26/04/2010 04:54:55 PM
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*shrug* I don't know. I just think that people are way too uptight about the issue
- 26/04/2010 05:02:30 PM
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the differences really are not that minor
- 28/04/2010 06:49:33 PM
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hmm, see
- 28/04/2010 07:10:42 PM
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I am from San Antonio I have always been able to buy burritos from my neighbors
- 28/04/2010 08:28:45 PM
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When I say relatively minor, it's because I'm thinking of those *other* assimilation problems here
- 28/04/2010 10:30:04 PM
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It should rattle anyone who lives in a democracy and who likes their way of life
- 28/04/2010 11:15:18 PM
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More power to the government! and We took that land fair and square! *NM*
- 26/04/2010 04:43:15 PM
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I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute
- 26/04/2010 09:05:21 PM
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Re: I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute
- 26/04/2010 11:48:14 PM
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Will the will of the people of Arizona be respected?
- 27/04/2010 12:12:46 AM
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That's funny...
- 27/04/2010 01:57:14 AM
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echo chamber much?
- 27/04/2010 04:14:53 PM
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there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights.
- 27/04/2010 05:19:29 PM
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Re: there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights.
- 28/04/2010 12:40:42 PM
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Also, the potential economic consequences of the law could be severe for Arizona.
- 27/04/2010 01:03:54 AM
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activist group liberal group claims it will cost money, what a shocker *NM*
- 27/04/2010 04:23:11 PM
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It will cost money
- 27/04/2010 09:16:31 PM
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but all of that ignores the long term savings
- 28/04/2010 03:24:50 PM
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it's less a matter of american tourism
- 28/04/2010 04:06:50 PM
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if they law is enforced it will decrease the number of illegals who go to Arizona
- 28/04/2010 06:35:26 PM
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I don't see any real long term savings coming from this.
- 28/04/2010 10:17:26 PM
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70% of the people in Arizona support the new law and 30% of the state is Hispanic
- 28/04/2010 10:51:08 PM
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real science?
- 28/04/2010 11:06:13 PM
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I linked to it further up the thread and you responded
- 28/04/2010 11:19:51 PM
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*NM*