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Re: The thing with PR is, the current vote results are a horrid predictor for PR vote results. p hart Send a noteboard - 07/05/2010 03:52:19 PM
Labour and Lib Dems aren't that far behind... and the simple fact is that two centre-left parties make for a fairly natural alliance, unlike a centre-left and a centre-right party. So fromt hat point it is really not good for the Tories, as they can be shut out easily.

The key point though is this - more people in this country vote for left leaning parties than right leaning parties, as over 50% of the vote going to just Labour and Lib Dems alone shows. The popular vote is not kind to the Tories.

It doesn't mean it would be that way if you actually had PR elections. UKIP and the BNP would see rather significant vote increases,


We have PR and STV in Scotland and parties like the BNP are even more marginalised, what it got us in, were some greens/independents/socialists which in my opinion has made the Parliment better.

Although and this is not a dig at England, the BNP is an English party despite the name, they never poll anywhere near the percentage vote in Scotland as they do in England.

But from my own experience in Scotland from having PR your assertion about increases in BNP votes have not materialised here, though of course England is a different melting pot.
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Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats. Nebhead - 07/05/2010 09:29:03 AM 1749 Views
Re: Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats. Liam - 07/05/2010 09:45:23 AM 1208 Views
So what would you move to? Roland00 - 07/05/2010 09:53:51 AM 1029 Views
I imagine if the UK changes it will move to Proportional Representation Mark - 07/05/2010 10:04:38 AM 1150 Views
Re: So what would you move to? p hart - 07/05/2010 02:55:32 PM 1131 Views
God I hate the British system Camilla - 07/05/2010 10:24:35 AM 1158 Views
It's an excellent morning. Conservatives are at 301 right now. *NM* Tom - 07/05/2010 01:57:52 PM 592 Views
Are you counting the Speaker? *NM* Camilla - 07/05/2010 01:59:37 PM 636 Views
Indeed snoopcester - 07/05/2010 02:22:37 PM 1181 Views
I love how they're calling that option "The Coalition of the Losers". Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:27:56 PM 1097 Views
They are? Where? snoopcester - 07/05/2010 02:38:01 PM 1230 Views
On the lovely BBC. Paxman, Robinson, Dimbleby et al. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:52:01 PM 1116 Views
Ah, we have it on but with the sound turned down - the subtitlers must be skipping that phrase snoopcester - 07/05/2010 03:13:57 PM 1060 Views
The thing with PR is, the current vote results are a horrid predictor for PR vote results. Legolas - 07/05/2010 03:45:58 PM 1110 Views
Re: The thing with PR is, the current vote results are a horrid predictor for PR vote results. p hart - 07/05/2010 03:52:19 PM 1145 Views
That is true snoopcester - 07/05/2010 03:53:51 PM 1115 Views
Re: That is true p hart - 07/05/2010 03:54:51 PM 1150 Views
I'm sure it would be a setup for new elections in a few months if they did. *NM* Tom - 07/05/2010 02:40:49 PM 599 Views
I suspect we'll get one of those anyway. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1101 Views
What is the general consensus on who would win or lose from new elections? Tom - 07/05/2010 02:57:04 PM 1246 Views
I've not heard any comment on this yet. I might have missed some. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:58:00 PM 1123 Views
Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though snoopcester - 07/05/2010 03:21:23 PM 1251 Views
Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though p hart - 07/05/2010 03:29:37 PM 1229 Views
King William IV indeed. Liam - 07/05/2010 03:37:18 PM 1213 Views
Re: King William IV indeed. p hart - 07/05/2010 03:40:41 PM 1048 Views
Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though snoopcester - 07/05/2010 04:04:03 PM 1142 Views
I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn Rebekah - 07/05/2010 04:09:51 PM 1132 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn p hart - 07/05/2010 04:24:56 PM 1013 Views
Yes. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 04:26:50 PM 896 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn snoopcester - 07/05/2010 04:28:45 PM 1092 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn p hart - 07/05/2010 04:34:41 PM 1075 Views
I'm sure he is snoopcester - 07/05/2010 04:25:20 PM 1140 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 04:27:44 PM 1201 Views
Re: Heh. snoopcester - 07/05/2010 04:43:18 PM 1188 Views
His talking about "Portillo moments" was one of the best parts of the BBC's election broadcast. *NM* Legolas - 07/05/2010 08:14:11 PM 656 Views
Re: I'm sure he is p hart - 07/05/2010 04:40:07 PM 1123 Views
Cameron might be in trouble anyway. Werthead - 07/05/2010 06:25:14 PM 1240 Views
If they got PR as part of the deal it would be worth it Mark - 07/05/2010 02:42:36 PM 1233 Views
Possibly. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:53:28 PM 1254 Views
Re: Possibly. p hart - 07/05/2010 03:00:55 PM 1044 Views
I didn't mean from that point of view. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 03:05:05 PM 1140 Views
Re: I didn't mean from that point of view. p hart - 07/05/2010 03:18:57 PM 1131 Views
Short term pain for long term gain Mark - 07/05/2010 03:02:51 PM 1219 Views
Sylvia Hermon the independent unionist would probably support them as well Mark - 07/05/2010 02:44:35 PM 1158 Views
Re: Indeed p hart - 07/05/2010 03:45:00 PM 1147 Views
Re: Indeed snoopcester - 07/05/2010 03:59:41 PM 1257 Views
Well I'm fairly sure some Shinners have attended Tory conferences in the past Mark - 07/05/2010 04:05:56 PM 1071 Views
Here's what i would do to sink the Tories p hart - 07/05/2010 04:06:10 PM 1105 Views
that does sound strange AgentOrange - 07/05/2010 10:57:10 AM 1070 Views
The breakdown is pretty wack snoopcester - 07/05/2010 11:07:20 AM 1073 Views
Tell me about it. Liam - 07/05/2010 11:14:44 AM 1101 Views
I liked that as well snoopcester - 07/05/2010 11:46:42 AM 1169 Views
I'm in the Cities of London and Westminster constituency. Zeeb - 07/05/2010 11:56:04 AM 1126 Views
Not that I'd ever try to one-up you. Liam - 07/05/2010 12:54:47 PM 1186 Views
Zeeb - 07/05/2010 01:44:03 PM 1050 Views
Re: The breakdown is pretty wack p hart - 07/05/2010 03:23:32 PM 1099 Views
Same here snoopcester - 07/05/2010 03:47:51 PM 1051 Views
Re: Same here p hart - 07/05/2010 03:56:46 PM 1200 Views
A simple change is all Druid - 07/05/2010 01:16:16 PM 1148 Views
That's not a simple change. THIS is a simple change: Tom - 07/05/2010 01:59:09 PM 1132 Views
Not that simple snoopcester - 07/05/2010 02:45:00 PM 1082 Views
Because my school was a polling station we used to get the day off every polling day Mark - 07/05/2010 02:51:18 PM 1240 Views
Show off snoopcester - 07/05/2010 02:53:16 PM 1079 Views
Re: Not that simple p hart - 07/05/2010 03:04:57 PM 1238 Views
Re: Not that simple Mark - 07/05/2010 03:14:46 PM 1241 Views
Re: Not that simple p hart - 07/05/2010 03:20:55 PM 933 Views
PR is hardly too difficult to implement and is much more democratic Mark - 07/05/2010 02:48:01 PM 1104 Views
I hate the list system. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:55:39 PM 1153 Views
There are many different versions Mark - 07/05/2010 03:10:38 PM 1066 Views
It's that bad i registered to moan. p hart - 07/05/2010 02:53:37 PM 1146 Views
What's amazing is that the exit polls are actually looking astonishingly correct, now. Huh. *NM* Legolas - 07/05/2010 03:35:12 PM 559 Views
As soon as i turned on the TV, i was being told the Exit polls must be wrong p hart - 07/05/2010 03:47:15 PM 1083 Views
Conservatives win and the stock market plummets. j/k Burr - 07/05/2010 03:40:11 PM 1053 Views
Oh, and the other interesting thing will be seeing whether the Conservatives offer.... Rebekah - 07/05/2010 03:57:52 PM 1208 Views
I like John Major Liam - 07/05/2010 04:01:03 PM 1078 Views
There's only one the LibDems will be interested in though. Werthead - 07/05/2010 06:30:55 PM 1198 Views
But p hart - 07/05/2010 08:21:11 PM 1127 Views
Isn't that the very definition of a coalition? Legolas - 07/05/2010 08:16:05 PM 1126 Views
Until you bring Lady Thatcher back, all of your elections are just pick-the-least-offensive anyway. *NM* LiterateDog - 07/05/2010 04:08:32 PM 562 Views
Well her son is good at starting coups, so maybe he might be hired for her return. *NM* p hart - 07/05/2010 04:28:52 PM 592 Views
Whatever it takes. *NM* LiterateDog - 07/05/2010 04:31:13 PM 535 Views
Please no, the milk stealer is still used to frighten children in Scotland p hart - 07/05/2010 04:47:26 PM 1071 Views
OK here is the map of England by constituency, blue Tory, red NUlab p hart - 07/05/2010 05:00:20 PM 1083 Views
So I'm just one of those upstart colonists....explain to me what is going on.... Jeordam - 07/05/2010 05:26:59 PM 1082 Views
Basically... Werthead - 07/05/2010 06:43:10 PM 1115 Views
And things are changing already Werthead - 08/05/2010 04:08:47 PM 1194 Views
To be fair, I don't know it makes for much of a change snoopcester - 08/05/2010 04:20:26 PM 1207 Views
I thought they weren't allowed to do that if Brown isn't Prime Minister? Rebekah - 08/05/2010 04:52:39 PM 1160 Views
The latter, I'd say. Legolas - 08/05/2010 05:43:23 PM 1450 Views
Brown is PM at the moment p hart - 08/05/2010 06:16:48 PM 1085 Views
They certainly can. Werthead - 09/05/2010 04:37:46 PM 1178 Views
God, our system is fucked up *NM* Monkey - 07/05/2010 06:25:04 PM 657 Views
If i were the tories p hart - 07/05/2010 11:28:43 PM 1150 Views
That is hilarious. Both Brown and Dimbleby have been around for a while, huh? Legolas - 07/05/2010 11:59:58 PM 1426 Views
Re: That is hilarious. Both Brown and Dimbleby have been around for a while, huh? p hart - 08/05/2010 06:11:38 PM 1175 Views
Sounds like the pressure is on for Cameron snoopcester - 08/05/2010 02:01:49 PM 1192 Views
Hmmm Balwer - 13/05/2010 12:08:04 PM 1449 Views
Completely uncalled for! Rebekah - 13/05/2010 01:12:05 PM 1274 Views
How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post? Legolas - 13/05/2010 09:52:24 PM 1544 Views
Re: How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post? snoopcester - 13/05/2010 10:59:35 PM 1162 Views
Yes I jumped the gun on the 12 Balwer - 14/05/2010 09:53:49 AM 1140 Views
Re: Yes I jumped the gun on the 12 snoopcester - 14/05/2010 10:45:35 AM 1033 Views
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