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Re: That is true p hart Send a noteboard - 07/05/2010 03:54:51 PM
That is true now, because for historical reasons the Lib Dems managed to maintain that position of third party. It doesn't mean it would be that way if you actually had PR elections. UKIP and the BNP would see rather significant vote increases, and not all of it at the expense of the Tories. In addition, PR would put an end to the incumbency advantage that limits the losses of the big parties when they lose an election. If this election had been under PR, I dare say Labour would've gotten a fair few less votes than they got now, not merely fewer seats.

Of course, if your point is just about natural alliances, it's true that under PR, even with significant changes of the kind I described, the Tories would have a disadvantage in that the right-wing would be splintered in three parties, one of which is absolutely not viable for a coalition. But then, PR might also create changes within the parties, and perhaps force Labour and the Lib Dems to make the distinction between them a bit sharper, or even cause parts of parties to defect to others.


I would expect a splntering of all the major parties, since the nature of the current system forces people to generally go with what is a fairly crude match to their ideals as the parties try to control their warring factions. I was trying to use current voting trends in a very general way - the Tory side of the spectrum usually does much worse in elections that the Lib Dem/ Labour end, which I think reasonable to see as something that wouldn't be changed by PR.


None of this really happened in Scotland when we got PR, why is everyone sure it will happen in England?
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Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats. - 07/05/2010 09:29:03 AM 1677 Views
Re: Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats. - 07/05/2010 09:45:23 AM 1131 Views
So what would you move to? - 07/05/2010 09:53:51 AM 963 Views
Re: So what would you move to? - 07/05/2010 02:55:32 PM 1063 Views
God I hate the British system - 07/05/2010 10:24:35 AM 1097 Views
It's an excellent morning. Conservatives are at 301 right now. *NM* - 07/05/2010 01:57:52 PM 567 Views
Are you counting the Speaker? *NM* - 07/05/2010 01:59:37 PM 609 Views
Indeed - 07/05/2010 02:22:37 PM 1120 Views
I love how they're calling that option "The Coalition of the Losers". - 07/05/2010 02:27:56 PM 1039 Views
They are? Where? - 07/05/2010 02:38:01 PM 1171 Views
On the lovely BBC. Paxman, Robinson, Dimbleby et al. - 07/05/2010 02:52:01 PM 1056 Views
Ah, we have it on but with the sound turned down - the subtitlers must be skipping that phrase - 07/05/2010 03:13:57 PM 1001 Views
The thing with PR is, the current vote results are a horrid predictor for PR vote results. - 07/05/2010 03:45:58 PM 1047 Views
That is true - 07/05/2010 03:53:51 PM 1056 Views
Re: That is true - 07/05/2010 03:54:51 PM 1081 Views
I'm sure it would be a setup for new elections in a few months if they did. *NM* - 07/05/2010 02:40:49 PM 567 Views
I suspect we'll get one of those anyway. - 07/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1032 Views
What is the general consensus on who would win or lose from new elections? - 07/05/2010 02:57:04 PM 1187 Views
I've not heard any comment on this yet. I might have missed some. - 07/05/2010 02:58:00 PM 1064 Views
Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though - 07/05/2010 03:21:23 PM 1189 Views
Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though - 07/05/2010 03:29:37 PM 1166 Views
King William IV indeed. - 07/05/2010 03:37:18 PM 1139 Views
Re: King William IV indeed. - 07/05/2010 03:40:41 PM 984 Views
Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though - 07/05/2010 04:04:03 PM 1085 Views
I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:09:51 PM 1078 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:24:56 PM 958 Views
Yes. - 07/05/2010 04:26:50 PM 833 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:28:45 PM 1032 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:34:41 PM 1005 Views
I'm sure he is - 07/05/2010 04:25:20 PM 1080 Views
Heh. - 07/05/2010 04:27:44 PM 1128 Views
Re: Heh. - 07/05/2010 04:43:18 PM 1122 Views
Re: I'm sure he is - 07/05/2010 04:40:07 PM 1059 Views
Cameron might be in trouble anyway. - 07/05/2010 06:25:14 PM 1170 Views
If they got PR as part of the deal it would be worth it - 07/05/2010 02:42:36 PM 1173 Views
Possibly. - 07/05/2010 02:53:28 PM 1188 Views
Re: Possibly. - 07/05/2010 03:00:55 PM 983 Views
I didn't mean from that point of view. - 07/05/2010 03:05:05 PM 1062 Views
Re: I didn't mean from that point of view. - 07/05/2010 03:18:57 PM 1070 Views
Short term pain for long term gain - 07/05/2010 03:02:51 PM 1155 Views
Re: Indeed - 07/05/2010 03:45:00 PM 1086 Views
Re: Indeed - 07/05/2010 03:59:41 PM 1184 Views
Here's what i would do to sink the Tories - 07/05/2010 04:06:10 PM 1048 Views
that does sound strange - 07/05/2010 10:57:10 AM 1003 Views
The breakdown is pretty wack - 07/05/2010 11:07:20 AM 1018 Views
Tell me about it. - 07/05/2010 11:14:44 AM 1034 Views
I liked that as well - 07/05/2010 11:46:42 AM 1099 Views
I'm in the Cities of London and Westminster constituency. - 07/05/2010 11:56:04 AM 1065 Views
Not that I'd ever try to one-up you. - 07/05/2010 12:54:47 PM 1117 Views
- 07/05/2010 01:44:03 PM 993 Views
Re: The breakdown is pretty wack - 07/05/2010 03:23:32 PM 1040 Views
Same here - 07/05/2010 03:47:51 PM 990 Views
Re: Same here - 07/05/2010 03:56:46 PM 1144 Views
A simple change is all - 07/05/2010 01:16:16 PM 1079 Views
That's not a simple change. THIS is a simple change: - 07/05/2010 01:59:09 PM 1069 Views
Not that simple - 07/05/2010 02:45:00 PM 1020 Views
Because my school was a polling station we used to get the day off every polling day - 07/05/2010 02:51:18 PM 1184 Views
Show off - 07/05/2010 02:53:16 PM 1020 Views
Re: Not that simple - 07/05/2010 03:04:57 PM 1177 Views
Re: Not that simple - 07/05/2010 03:14:46 PM 1171 Views
Re: Not that simple - 07/05/2010 03:20:55 PM 867 Views
PR is hardly too difficult to implement and is much more democratic - 07/05/2010 02:48:01 PM 1046 Views
I hate the list system. - 07/05/2010 02:55:39 PM 1099 Views
There are many different versions - 07/05/2010 03:10:38 PM 1006 Views
It's that bad i registered to moan. - 07/05/2010 02:53:37 PM 1089 Views
Conservatives win and the stock market plummets. j/k - 07/05/2010 03:40:11 PM 984 Views
Oh, and the other interesting thing will be seeing whether the Conservatives offer.... - 07/05/2010 03:57:52 PM 1148 Views
I like John Major - 07/05/2010 04:01:03 PM 1021 Views
There's only one the LibDems will be interested in though. - 07/05/2010 06:30:55 PM 1132 Views
But - 07/05/2010 08:21:11 PM 1064 Views
Isn't that the very definition of a coalition? - 07/05/2010 08:16:05 PM 1060 Views
OK here is the map of England by constituency, blue Tory, red NUlab - 07/05/2010 05:00:20 PM 1029 Views
So I'm just one of those upstart colonists....explain to me what is going on.... - 07/05/2010 05:26:59 PM 1013 Views
Basically... - 07/05/2010 06:43:10 PM 1054 Views
And things are changing already - 08/05/2010 04:08:47 PM 1128 Views
To be fair, I don't know it makes for much of a change - 08/05/2010 04:20:26 PM 1142 Views
I thought they weren't allowed to do that if Brown isn't Prime Minister? - 08/05/2010 04:52:39 PM 1097 Views
The latter, I'd say. - 08/05/2010 05:43:23 PM 1387 Views
Brown is PM at the moment - 08/05/2010 06:16:48 PM 1019 Views
They certainly can. - 09/05/2010 04:37:46 PM 1117 Views
God, our system is fucked up *NM* - 07/05/2010 06:25:04 PM 595 Views
If i were the tories - 07/05/2010 11:28:43 PM 1069 Views
Sounds like the pressure is on for Cameron - 08/05/2010 02:01:49 PM 1116 Views
Hmmm - 13/05/2010 12:08:04 PM 1387 Views
Completely uncalled for! - 13/05/2010 01:12:05 PM 1196 Views
How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post? - 13/05/2010 09:52:24 PM 1480 Views
Re: How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post? - 13/05/2010 10:59:35 PM 1097 Views
Yes I jumped the gun on the 12 - 14/05/2010 09:53:49 AM 1076 Views
Re: Yes I jumped the gun on the 12 - 14/05/2010 10:45:35 AM 974 Views

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