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Basically... Werthead Send a noteboard - 07/05/2010 06:43:10 PM
We have 650 Parliamentary seats and a party needs to take 50%+1 seat to form a majority government (so 326).

What's happened is that no-one's done this. The Tories have 306, Labour 258, the Liberal Democrats 57, the Scottish National Party 6, Plaid Cymru 3 and the others (mostly the Northern Irish parties) 19.

Yesterday people were talking about the choice between the Tories as a minority government (where they form the government but can't be guaranteed to win every vote on new legislation) and a coalition/alliance between Labour and the Liberal Democrats which would govern as a majority. The problem is that the LibDems have done worse than expected, so that even if Labour and the LibDems join forces, they cannot form a majority government either (they only get to 315, and the Tories can block them with help from the smaller parties).

So the choices are that the Tories govern as a minority government, the LibDems ally with Labour and govern as a minority coalition, or the Tories ally with the LibDems and govern as a majority coalition (with 363 seats).

The problem with this last scenario is that the Tories and LibDems are ideologically opposed on many areas of policy. Most notably, they have radically different ideas on how to handle the economic crisis, and the LibDems badly want electoral reform which Tory hardliners and supporters are vehemently opposed to (though Cameron himself appears to be slightly less hardline on it). The LibDems want reform because they won 23% of the vote but only have about 9% of the seats in Parliament, so introducing a Proportional Representation system will benefit them immensely. The Tories don't want this system because it will screw them over, and may make coalition governments the norm in future elections (whilst at the moment they are very rare). Labour are lukewarm on it, but will do it to hold on to power.

As a result the most likely scenario (though the ground is shifting rapidly; no-one this morning was realistically expecting a LibDem-Tory coalition, and they are at least talking about it tonight) is that the LibDems and Labour govern as a minority coalition and win over the smaller parties with promise of voting reform (which will also benefit them), holding off the Tories in the process. Then, once the system is reformed, a fresh general election will be held, probably in 6-12 months time.

The problem with this scenario is that Gordon Brown's position will likely be untenable, so a caretaker PM who was not voted for by the British people will have to come in (unless LibDem leader Nick Clegg does it, which is a bit tricky given the LibDems' lack of mandate compared to the other parties). And the banks and international community may have a lack of confidence in this set-up, which could have ramifications given the economic situation.

Whichever way you cut it, the situation is screwed. We couldn't have made this any more difficult or awkward if we'd tried.
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Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats. - 07/05/2010 09:29:03 AM 1677 Views
Re: Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats. - 07/05/2010 09:45:23 AM 1131 Views
So what would you move to? - 07/05/2010 09:53:51 AM 963 Views
Re: So what would you move to? - 07/05/2010 02:55:32 PM 1063 Views
God I hate the British system - 07/05/2010 10:24:35 AM 1096 Views
It's an excellent morning. Conservatives are at 301 right now. *NM* - 07/05/2010 01:57:52 PM 567 Views
Are you counting the Speaker? *NM* - 07/05/2010 01:59:37 PM 609 Views
Indeed - 07/05/2010 02:22:37 PM 1120 Views
I love how they're calling that option "The Coalition of the Losers". - 07/05/2010 02:27:56 PM 1039 Views
They are? Where? - 07/05/2010 02:38:01 PM 1170 Views
On the lovely BBC. Paxman, Robinson, Dimbleby et al. - 07/05/2010 02:52:01 PM 1056 Views
Ah, we have it on but with the sound turned down - the subtitlers must be skipping that phrase - 07/05/2010 03:13:57 PM 1000 Views
The thing with PR is, the current vote results are a horrid predictor for PR vote results. - 07/05/2010 03:45:58 PM 1047 Views
That is true - 07/05/2010 03:53:51 PM 1056 Views
Re: That is true - 07/05/2010 03:54:51 PM 1080 Views
I'm sure it would be a setup for new elections in a few months if they did. *NM* - 07/05/2010 02:40:49 PM 567 Views
I suspect we'll get one of those anyway. - 07/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1032 Views
What is the general consensus on who would win or lose from new elections? - 07/05/2010 02:57:04 PM 1187 Views
I've not heard any comment on this yet. I might have missed some. - 07/05/2010 02:58:00 PM 1064 Views
Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though - 07/05/2010 03:21:23 PM 1189 Views
Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though - 07/05/2010 03:29:37 PM 1166 Views
King William IV indeed. - 07/05/2010 03:37:18 PM 1139 Views
Re: King William IV indeed. - 07/05/2010 03:40:41 PM 984 Views
Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though - 07/05/2010 04:04:03 PM 1085 Views
I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:09:51 PM 1078 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:24:56 PM 957 Views
Yes. - 07/05/2010 04:26:50 PM 833 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:28:45 PM 1031 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:34:41 PM 1005 Views
I'm sure he is - 07/05/2010 04:25:20 PM 1080 Views
Heh. - 07/05/2010 04:27:44 PM 1128 Views
Re: Heh. - 07/05/2010 04:43:18 PM 1121 Views
Re: I'm sure he is - 07/05/2010 04:40:07 PM 1059 Views
Cameron might be in trouble anyway. - 07/05/2010 06:25:14 PM 1170 Views
If they got PR as part of the deal it would be worth it - 07/05/2010 02:42:36 PM 1172 Views
Possibly. - 07/05/2010 02:53:28 PM 1188 Views
Re: Possibly. - 07/05/2010 03:00:55 PM 982 Views
I didn't mean from that point of view. - 07/05/2010 03:05:05 PM 1061 Views
Re: I didn't mean from that point of view. - 07/05/2010 03:18:57 PM 1069 Views
Short term pain for long term gain - 07/05/2010 03:02:51 PM 1155 Views
Re: Indeed - 07/05/2010 03:45:00 PM 1086 Views
Re: Indeed - 07/05/2010 03:59:41 PM 1184 Views
Here's what i would do to sink the Tories - 07/05/2010 04:06:10 PM 1048 Views
that does sound strange - 07/05/2010 10:57:10 AM 1003 Views
The breakdown is pretty wack - 07/05/2010 11:07:20 AM 1017 Views
Tell me about it. - 07/05/2010 11:14:44 AM 1034 Views
I liked that as well - 07/05/2010 11:46:42 AM 1098 Views
I'm in the Cities of London and Westminster constituency. - 07/05/2010 11:56:04 AM 1065 Views
Not that I'd ever try to one-up you. - 07/05/2010 12:54:47 PM 1117 Views
- 07/05/2010 01:44:03 PM 993 Views
Re: The breakdown is pretty wack - 07/05/2010 03:23:32 PM 1040 Views
Same here - 07/05/2010 03:47:51 PM 990 Views
Re: Same here - 07/05/2010 03:56:46 PM 1144 Views
A simple change is all - 07/05/2010 01:16:16 PM 1079 Views
That's not a simple change. THIS is a simple change: - 07/05/2010 01:59:09 PM 1069 Views
Not that simple - 07/05/2010 02:45:00 PM 1020 Views
Because my school was a polling station we used to get the day off every polling day - 07/05/2010 02:51:18 PM 1183 Views
Show off - 07/05/2010 02:53:16 PM 1020 Views
Re: Not that simple - 07/05/2010 03:04:57 PM 1177 Views
Re: Not that simple - 07/05/2010 03:14:46 PM 1171 Views
Re: Not that simple - 07/05/2010 03:20:55 PM 867 Views
PR is hardly too difficult to implement and is much more democratic - 07/05/2010 02:48:01 PM 1046 Views
I hate the list system. - 07/05/2010 02:55:39 PM 1098 Views
There are many different versions - 07/05/2010 03:10:38 PM 1006 Views
It's that bad i registered to moan. - 07/05/2010 02:53:37 PM 1089 Views
Conservatives win and the stock market plummets. j/k - 07/05/2010 03:40:11 PM 984 Views
Oh, and the other interesting thing will be seeing whether the Conservatives offer.... - 07/05/2010 03:57:52 PM 1147 Views
I like John Major - 07/05/2010 04:01:03 PM 1020 Views
There's only one the LibDems will be interested in though. - 07/05/2010 06:30:55 PM 1132 Views
But - 07/05/2010 08:21:11 PM 1064 Views
Isn't that the very definition of a coalition? - 07/05/2010 08:16:05 PM 1060 Views
OK here is the map of England by constituency, blue Tory, red NUlab - 07/05/2010 05:00:20 PM 1029 Views
So I'm just one of those upstart colonists....explain to me what is going on.... - 07/05/2010 05:26:59 PM 1013 Views
Basically... - 07/05/2010 06:43:10 PM 1054 Views
And things are changing already - 08/05/2010 04:08:47 PM 1127 Views
To be fair, I don't know it makes for much of a change - 08/05/2010 04:20:26 PM 1141 Views
I thought they weren't allowed to do that if Brown isn't Prime Minister? - 08/05/2010 04:52:39 PM 1096 Views
The latter, I'd say. - 08/05/2010 05:43:23 PM 1386 Views
Brown is PM at the moment - 08/05/2010 06:16:48 PM 1018 Views
They certainly can. - 09/05/2010 04:37:46 PM 1117 Views
God, our system is fucked up *NM* - 07/05/2010 06:25:04 PM 595 Views
If i were the tories - 07/05/2010 11:28:43 PM 1069 Views
Sounds like the pressure is on for Cameron - 08/05/2010 02:01:49 PM 1116 Views
Hmmm - 13/05/2010 12:08:04 PM 1387 Views
Completely uncalled for! - 13/05/2010 01:12:05 PM 1195 Views
How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post? - 13/05/2010 09:52:24 PM 1480 Views
Re: How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post? - 13/05/2010 10:59:35 PM 1097 Views
Yes I jumped the gun on the 12 - 14/05/2010 09:53:49 AM 1075 Views
Re: Yes I jumped the gun on the 12 - 14/05/2010 10:45:35 AM 973 Views

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