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It really depends Larry Send a noteboard - 21/05/2010 01:03:13 AM
There's an insinuation in that sketch that Received speech is the only "proper" English. It's not; it's just one of several dialects. I was just noting that I didn't accept much of what was noted because the semantics behind the phrases have shifted over 400 years and an ocean apart. Might as well ask why the hell do people still say "God save the Queen." Save her from what? A whole host of people who don't think of that as being a verb in the subjunctive mood?


How does it insinuate that received speech is the only proper? That is how David Mitchell talks. Surely his dialect does not invalidate his point?

You really do not need to tell me about dialects. I'm Norwegian.

But then again, whenever someone is "knocked up," do you go for the pregnancy test or ask if they are tired?


I really don't know what you are on about.


Edit: I just realised you are probably talking about the herbs/'erbs bit. I believe that was a comic dig, the main purpose of which being to taunt Americans with a comparison to the French.


And no, I wasn't talking about word pronunciation. I say poe-TAY-toe, you say po-TAH-toe. Or I say EYE-ther and you say EE-ther. That's variation that sometimes occurs within dialects. I was thinking more about structures of speech and how they vary. Sure, some might mock "right as rain," but it is an accepted, commonly-used phrase within one dialect group. It has a semantic meaning for that group that likely differs from how an individual from another dialect would interpret such a phrase, if s/he did not immediately dismiss it.

Just as there are accepted group understandings of "hold down the fort" or "800 lb. gorilla in the room" that will seem odd to those who think "hold the fort" or "800 lb. elephant in the room," who's to say which is privileged over another, except by conventions that often do not correlate well to general speech patterns of the various dialectal groups?


The difference being that one makes sense and the other not.


But which is which varies from region to region, dialect to dialect.


In part, but the sematics are still more coherent in one than in the other.


I happen to differ - they are different. So tell me, "knocking up" - which meaning(s) do you assign to it? Or how about the use of "coger," since that one was quite embarrassing to me once upon a time? :P
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