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No, because China doesn't want us in the region. Joel Send a noteboard - 25/05/2010 12:20:47 AM
Having a neighbor that you know is your friend and ally is different than having a neighbor that has gone off the deep end and won't listen to reason or threats. Wouldn't it make you nervous if your neighbor started offing other neighbors, even ones you didn't like and threatening to start a gang war that would quickly encompass the entire neighborhood?

Would China be wiser to stand back and at least let the US take the current government out before stepping in and taking the role of peacemaker? Then they could come off looking like the good guy with the least expenditure.

They don't want JAPAN in the region; there's just not much they can do about it at present. But Chinas consistent policy since Mao took over is that the US should stay the hell out of Southeast Asia; it's THEIR fiefdom, exclusively, to do with as they please. Any US aggressive US action is seen as an afront and a threat, conjuring images of the Open Door policy and the Opium Wars. Hence the capture of US Navy aircraft in international airspace and detention and debriefing of the crew while they dismantle and examine the plane and the US President begs for his citizens to be returned.

There's going to be a shooting war over this sooner or later, because neither the North Korean nor Chinese governments will take "no" for an answer (mainly because no one has ever said it to either of them and stood by it. ) It may simply be that America leaves South Korea and Japan to twist in the wind; after all, North Korea is still exhibiting as a "war trophy" an ax taken from a US serviceman whom they killed while he was in the DMZ to cut down a tree blocking line of sight. In other words, we basically stood by and watched the North Korean military murder one of our soldiers in cold blood rather than reignite the war, and they took the obvious lesson from that, hence proudly displaying the ax to anyone who'll look.

So, no, China's not going to sit back and let the US institute "regime change" in North Korea; if there was any uncertainty on that question, when they gave Pakistan nuclear weapons that should've dispelled the confusion. North Korea's going to continue to escalate (and arm) until we either fight them or exit the area, which is what China created them to do. All the talk about the horrors war would visit on Seoul is valid, but those horrors are coming whatever we do; the question is how bad we want them to be and whether we want them to end at some point.
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Oh, by the way...has anyone noticed how close the Korean peninsula is to war? - 24/05/2010 02:04:12 PM 1096 Views
I was wondering when something would be posted about this - 24/05/2010 02:49:54 PM 790 Views
haha. I love that mental image - 24/05/2010 02:51:53 PM 704 Views
But does North Korea really listen to China that much anymore? - 24/05/2010 02:55:04 PM 733 Views
that might well be a good point - 24/05/2010 03:20:32 PM 703 Views
Very interesting point. That is a wild card. *NM* - 24/05/2010 03:27:53 PM 251 Views
The explaination I have heard... - 24/05/2010 09:05:40 PM 738 Views
I don't know... - 24/05/2010 09:49:25 PM 655 Views
No, because China doesn't want us in the region. - 25/05/2010 12:20:47 AM 694 Views
Um, wasn't that pretty much always understood? - 25/05/2010 12:08:12 AM 651 Views
yah, it doesn't look to be a good situation - 24/05/2010 02:50:08 PM 705 Views
If there were a war with North Korea the US has the resources to deal with it. - 24/05/2010 02:56:39 PM 726 Views
mm. well I don't much like that either, to be honest. - 24/05/2010 03:00:29 PM 716 Views
Wikipedia is your friend. - 24/05/2010 03:08:33 PM 885 Views
ah mk. Thanks!! - 24/05/2010 04:39:49 PM 663 Views
Still scary and you know that using those would escalate everything. - 24/05/2010 03:26:12 PM 674 Views
Korea is directly in our sphere of influence - 24/05/2010 03:37:18 PM 629 Views
I meant "we" in a personal sense, not a national sense. - 24/05/2010 05:36:40 PM 779 Views
In a personal sense, we could hijack a nuclear silo and shoot an ICBM at Pyongyang. - 24/05/2010 05:50:52 PM 602 Views
Oh yuck - there are far better ways. - 24/05/2010 06:01:44 PM 646 Views
yah... - 24/05/2010 06:27:37 PM 677 Views
Re: yah... - 24/05/2010 06:34:13 PM 667 Views
That would totally blow my cover of being a nerdy little grandma. - 24/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 624 Views
I don't think the US could, if China decided to get involved - 24/05/2010 08:45:23 PM 612 Views
A part of me says just get it over with - 24/05/2010 03:21:06 PM 615 Views
I agree that if war is inevitable, it is much better to start it at a time of our choosing. - 24/05/2010 03:48:36 PM 767 Views
I agree - 24/05/2010 04:17:19 PM 783 Views
Pretty much agree with all of that. *NM* - 24/05/2010 05:17:27 PM 279 Views
I'm trying not to. *NM* - 24/05/2010 05:25:06 PM 252 Views
This. *NM* - 24/05/2010 05:28:20 PM 277 Views
I understand - 24/05/2010 06:00:09 PM 619 Views
Yes - 24/05/2010 06:05:25 PM 635 Views
i agree - 24/05/2010 06:28:37 PM 650 Views
This has disaster written all over it *NM* - 24/05/2010 08:39:37 PM 266 Views
Technically, weren't we always? - 24/05/2010 08:51:29 PM 629 Views
Exactly. - 25/05/2010 12:07:32 AM 681 Views
I try to block it out with thought's of a puppet singing "I'm So Ronery". *NM* - 24/05/2010 10:59:23 PM 265 Views
No one wants to resume the Korean War. - 24/05/2010 11:27:12 PM 742 Views
China does. - 25/05/2010 12:29:11 AM 681 Views
No, they don't - 25/05/2010 12:54:49 AM 706 Views
Well, it would be more accurate to say they want a conflict, yes. - 25/05/2010 01:15:23 AM 705 Views
No, they don't - 25/05/2010 01:24:17 AM 689 Views
North Korea is not acting suicidal? Are you kidding? - 25/05/2010 02:41:29 AM 659 Views
The internal political dynamic in North Korea is such that they constantly need a crisis. - 25/05/2010 03:03:59 AM 677 Views
You are missing the main point. - 25/05/2010 03:36:37 AM 721 Views
I'm not saying it's nothing new. - 25/05/2010 03:57:40 AM 696 Views
Your response highlights the ultimate problem: the crisis will have to keep getting bigger. - 25/05/2010 07:44:19 PM 636 Views
Yes, that is the danger. - 26/05/2010 09:04:36 PM 777 Views
Fair enough. I misunderstood your position before. - 26/05/2010 12:31:52 AM 670 Views

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