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Glad to clear up that confusion. Phelix Send a noteboard - 08/09/2010 11:11:35 PM
Personally, I think that if your go-to insult is based on a negative image of a group of people, you likely have issues with that group of people. Even if you just think they're abnormal, freakish, or unpleasant, those are still issues you have with them.

When a slur against queer folk is the thing that comes out of you to slam your opponents, that does speak to what's going on inside.

Eh. I'm with Rebekah on this, really. Obviously my native language isn't English in any form, but I can think of a word - actually, two words - in Dutch (well, Flemish, anyway) that I think carry a similar meaning to what she's describing, so what she's saying makes sense to me. Words that certainly can be used as a slur against gay people, but that carry a primary meaning of a weak and effeminate man, gay or straight. And if those words are used between friends, or in trash talking of an opponent in sports, they are obviously still crude and offensive to some, but not really intended as a reference to homosexuality.


I guess it's just that, in my experience, faggot has a universal meaning in English speaking cultures. There are other associated meanings, but the one that transcends national boundaries is an insult based on perceived sexuality. As an international athlete, she would be aware of the more dominant meaning.

So no, I don't think she's a closet homophobe. Soul-searching never did anyone any harm, but I don't think she actually needs to do it. :P


I don't think we'll ever know if she needs it or not. She's the only one who could know that. As I said to Rebekah, the fact that she's calling it an out of character act tells me she should examine why she decided to say/do that. If it were an in character act, something she says all the time with her friends or family, she should explain it that way, rather than trying to distance herself from it.

But, taking her at her word, that it is an out of character act, examining why she said it seems wise to me.
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Interesting way to bring people together Sidious - 08/09/2010 04:36:19 PM 2021 Views
That is priceless. Go Stephanie Rice! *NM* Legolas - 08/09/2010 04:38:27 PM 524 Views
omigod....what a ridiculous overreaction LadyLorraine - 08/09/2010 04:55:55 PM 1203 Views
omigod....what a ridiculous overreaction LadyLorraine - 08/09/2010 04:55:55 PM 884 Views
1. That girl is an idiot who needs to do some soul searching... Phelix - 08/09/2010 07:07:47 PM 1169 Views
? not that her comment was excusable... LadyLorraine - 08/09/2010 07:45:59 PM 1226 Views
It's not a cardinal sin against humanity... Phelix - 08/09/2010 07:55:55 PM 1363 Views
or it just means... LadyLorraine - 08/09/2010 08:18:57 PM 1302 Views
Societal problems don't go away from the group level. Phelix - 08/09/2010 08:25:21 PM 1111 Views
your soul is your being LadyLorraine - 08/09/2010 08:43:18 PM 1149 Views
Just because you search does not mean you re-evaluate. Phelix - 08/09/2010 08:45:31 PM 1041 Views
You have an odd definition of homophobe (or at least that's what your last paragraph implies). Legolas - 08/09/2010 10:04:52 PM 1125 Views
I was trying to use her words... Phelix - 08/09/2010 10:17:32 PM 1241 Views
Ah, okay. Her apology does seem rather clumsy, agreed there. Legolas - 08/09/2010 11:05:34 PM 1082 Views
Glad to clear up that confusion. Phelix - 08/09/2010 11:11:35 PM 1266 Views
I don't think you should read too much in the exact wording of her apology. Legolas - 08/09/2010 11:24:21 PM 1138 Views
I'm horrible for tearing into the meaning of words. Phelix - 08/09/2010 11:36:34 PM 1130 Views
Entirely agree *NM* ironclad - 08/09/2010 10:46:12 PM 604 Views
You should watch that Southpark episode where they change the meaning of the word faggot. Helene - 08/09/2010 09:24:16 PM 1017 Views
I've seen it, and it was funny. Phelix - 08/09/2010 09:40:43 PM 1225 Views
Suspect you need to consider the way the word is used in other countries. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 09:46:05 PM 1081 Views
I admit, I don't know many (any) kiwis personally (in person that is)... Phelix - 08/09/2010 09:52:45 PM 1071 Views
The insult word for homosexuals Downunder tends to be Fruit or Queer. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 09:58:04 PM 1256 Views
OK, I can see that. Phelix - 08/09/2010 10:09:16 PM 1151 Views
I think it's unfair to people to assume that there's some underlying bad nature... Rebekah - 08/09/2010 10:18:29 PM 1127 Views
I'm not assuming there's an underlying bad nature, I am saying she should look to see if it's there. Phelix - 08/09/2010 10:27:21 PM 1223 Views
And I'm saying that you're instantly looking on the negative side of things instead of Rebekah - 08/09/2010 10:46:11 PM 1083 Views
I don't think I'm looking at the negative side of things, merely saying that she needs to look. Phelix - 08/09/2010 11:01:11 PM 1131 Views
Or, she was replying to interview questions and thinking on her feet. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 11:10:26 PM 1199 Views
This is my first encounter with her. Phelix - 08/09/2010 11:24:42 PM 1337 Views
Don't forget Poofta!! LadyLorraine - 08/09/2010 10:57:00 PM 916 Views
Heh, I had forgotten that. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 10:58:53 PM 1173 Views
She said she needs to learn to think before she tweets lol Sidious - 08/09/2010 08:14:38 PM 1473 Views
Yes, but that's just a surface change. Phelix - 08/09/2010 08:20:59 PM 1305 Views
Re: Yes, but that's just a surface change. Sidious - 08/09/2010 08:39:52 PM 1525 Views
Re: Yes, but that's just a surface change. Phelix - 08/09/2010 08:43:55 PM 1142 Views
mm, i doubt that would make people shut up LadyLorraine - 08/09/2010 08:44:29 PM 1013 Views
A concerted effort would do it... Phelix - 08/09/2010 08:47:50 PM 1095 Views
heh, it's pretty cool that everyone came together like that BlackAdder - 08/09/2010 10:52:50 PM 905 Views
"Just because a person is gay, mayor, doesn't mean he is a fag" Delireus - 09/09/2010 05:27:50 AM 1006 Views
It was a very good game though, wasn't it? *NM* Colonel Logain - 09/09/2010 12:56:33 PM 641 Views
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