I was going to burn there forever before. A couple of times. But I have met very few people that actually believe that...at least ones that will admit it.
They think fire and brimstone and eternal torment are what waits right after death. I think it was in John where we're told to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord... but that's just as I recall it.
What those people are doing is conflating "hell/sheol/the afterlife without God" and the Lake of Fire spoken of in The Revelation of John. In his vision, John sees the end of time, the end of existence, when all that God Created is judged, and when the accuser, his demons, and all those not found in the Lamb's Book of Life are put into the Lake of Fire for eternity.
The question, then, is John's vision a literal reality? Most of the rest of his revelation is given is terms that would make sense to a dreaming mind, or that could be allegorical/metaphoric. For that reason, I'm not sure the Lake of Fire with eternal torment is literally what waits for those who didn't accept Christ.
It could be literal, or it could be John's attempt to explain something he didn't understand or couldn't put into words.
That said, most Christians don't realize that there is a difference between where you go when you die and the Lake of Fire mentioned by John.
"'And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, nto the fire that shall never be quenched—where
"Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched."’"
Three times He says this in Mark (except in the Greek text) but is Jesus being metaphorical? He's actually quoting Isaiah,
"'And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me, ' says the LORD.
'And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die,
And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh. '"
Still apocalyptic, predating the Resurrection by centuries. Metaphorical? Probably, but WTF knows? In the end it really doesn't matter.
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LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
This message last edited by Joel on 17/09/2010 at 05:18:23 AM
So how do you define "Hell"? (*Edit with extra question.)
- 01/09/2010 09:27:29 PM
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small townish.
- 01/09/2010 09:33:18 PM
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endless loops of reality TV, soft rock, and New Age music *NM*
- 01/09/2010 09:35:20 PM
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Hell, per Phelix...
- 01/09/2010 09:44:32 PM
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Outliving the people you love. *NM*
- 01/09/2010 10:03:28 PM
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France.
- 01/09/2010 10:03:55 PM
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That doesn't make sense
- 01/09/2010 10:17:36 PM
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I realise German food isn't great
- 01/09/2010 10:25:31 PM
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Mmmmmmmm...
- 01/09/2010 10:50:41 PM
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You people need a letter limit.
- 02/09/2010 02:35:10 AM
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I believe in Germany there is a word for that
- 02/09/2010 10:32:13 AM
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But with more ch's and some cute little dots over the vowels. *NM*
- 02/09/2010 09:13:36 PM
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.... for that?? *NM*
- 02/09/2010 05:43:48 PM
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We should reconsider if the retirement home we picked for her in Wales is the right place *NM*
- 03/09/2010 08:38:13 AM
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You are Welsh now?
- 03/09/2010 11:41:05 AM
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- 03/09/2010 11:41:05 AM
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And British weather? *NM*
- 01/09/2010 10:18:31 PM
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Our weather is a talking point
*NM*
- 01/09/2010 10:25:52 PM
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*NM*
- 01/09/2010 10:25:52 PM
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Yes, but when it's the French doing the talking... you see where I'm going with this? *NM*
- 01/09/2010 10:27:50 PM
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Which is why the English are considered boring.
*NM*
- 01/09/2010 11:18:41 PM
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*NM*
- 01/09/2010 11:18:41 PM
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It isn't our fault people haven't experienced our weather
*NM*
- 01/09/2010 11:22:56 PM
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*NM*
- 01/09/2010 11:22:56 PM
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Does it ever actually change? I thought it was foggy, overcast and damp constantly.
- 01/09/2010 11:27:36 PM
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People in Seattle have. *NM*
- 02/09/2010 12:02:14 AM
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I actually envision it...
- 01/09/2010 10:22:16 PM
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jaw-pain is that bad then?
- 01/09/2010 10:32:18 PM
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you see how much Tashy has changed....
- 01/09/2010 10:54:59 PM
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So does anybody here actually envision it as burning in fire and brimstone? I have been told that
- 01/09/2010 11:25:15 PM
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See, most people mis-define "hell."
- 01/09/2010 11:33:30 PM
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Yet Christ speaks of it the same way.
- 17/09/2010 05:17:57 AM
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no
- 02/09/2010 03:39:38 AM
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If you want to know what death is like you experience it every night when you sleep.
- 06/09/2010 04:37:41 AM
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I don't believe in Hell. At least not an eternal one.
- 01/09/2010 11:55:02 PM
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One of my favorite jokes is along those lines...
- 02/09/2010 12:37:18 AM
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Hee! Reminds me of Bishop Gene Robinson.
- 02/09/2010 12:45:24 AM
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I love most of the words that come from Gene's mouth.
- 02/09/2010 12:48:24 AM
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- 02/09/2010 12:48:24 AM
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I got to have dinner with him. Sat at his table! He's so funny.
- 02/09/2010 01:00:23 AM
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A full wotmania chat with no ignore, no logout button and none of your friends present. *NM*
- 02/09/2010 12:04:18 AM
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A bar with limitless free whiskey where one is unable to become drunk.
- 02/09/2010 12:28:17 AM
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That's a great question, but I don't really think anything about it.
- 02/09/2010 02:39:35 AM
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I don't know but if they have 3G I will NB you a description when I get there *NM*
- 02/09/2010 03:40:04 AM
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If there is such a thing
- 02/09/2010 04:39:26 AM
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No kidding.
- 02/09/2010 04:49:38 AM
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I agree
- 02/09/2010 05:03:32 AM
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hmmm. although all that assumes a humanity of your soul in heaven.
- 02/09/2010 05:14:33 AM
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See - that's one of those personal things
- 02/09/2010 02:55:34 PM
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*shrug* it doesn't mean you aren't you.
- 02/09/2010 03:26:56 PM
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I liked Sartre's take on it. *NM*
- 02/09/2010 02:57:38 PM
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What is that? "Hell is other people at breakfast"? *NM*
- 02/09/2010 07:11:59 PM
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I'm not sure where the "at breakfast" comes from
- 02/09/2010 07:39:26 PM
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It has just been added on since then because it is so true and funny.
- 03/09/2010 05:16:43 AM
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- 03/09/2010 05:16:43 AM
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Not simple, but I'll keep it very short
- 02/09/2010 03:42:29 PM
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so everyone goes to hell? *NM*
- 02/09/2010 04:33:05 PM
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That seems to be the conclusion if one agrees with my premises and line of thought, yes. *NM*
- 02/09/2010 04:43:34 PM
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hmm.
- 02/09/2010 05:23:23 PM
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That is what it should so...
- 02/09/2010 05:26:04 PM
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Unless... what if we offered something equally perfect and infinitely valuable to make it even?
- 17/09/2010 05:04:39 AM
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Eternal separation from the Creator. God'll give some what they wanted, but they won't like it. *NM*
- 03/09/2010 05:53:57 PM
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As far as Hell itself, this.
- 17/09/2010 05:08:02 AM
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Your God sounds like a sadist.
- 17/09/2010 05:12:17 AM
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There's one HUGE string attached:
- 17/09/2010 05:29:24 AM
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I have videoclips to answer that question.
- 27/09/2010 05:02:17 PM
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- 27/09/2010 05:02:17 PM
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You have reminded me why I need to see that film again
- 27/09/2010 05:55:13 PM
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You could use at least one of the URLs in our link option, ya know?
- 28/09/2010 04:16:07 PM
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- 28/09/2010 04:16:07 PM
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*NM*
