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Just as a contract is a two way street - SilverWarder Send a noteboard - 12/10/2010 05:12:09 PM
So too, ethics.

Trust - goes both ways. If the bank expects to trust you to make payments (even when it is financially stupid to do so) then the flip side of that trust is to expect that the bank will be supportive and helpful with long term, trusthworthy customers when there are issues and problems in the other direction.

The reason for the lack of trust and the willingness to simply hand over negative equity homes is that the banks have shown, time and again, that someone's love for their home, their history of payment etc. etc. are meaningless to them. If you can't pay, expect people trying to change your locks without notice (while you are home in some cases), foreclosure threats or attempts even if on shaky ground legally etc. A great many banks have shown that all that they care about is doing things that suit their own interest exclusively.

In short, the banks have already destroyed consumer confidence in them. As such, the consumers have little to no desire to give the banks an inch either.

If the banks had shown heart and courage in helping homeowners, refinancing loans and accepting that some of the responsibility for the housing bubble was theirs rather than all of it falling on their customers, then perhaps people would feel more loyalty.

But given the rapaciousness of the behaviour of US financial institutions of late, it should come as no surprise at all that homeowners now also look after their own interests firsts and the banks can go hang.

The banks made this bed. Now they will have to lie in it.
May God stand between you and harm in all the empty places you must walk.

Old Egyptian Blessing
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Is walking away from a mortgage immoral? - 12/10/2010 04:45:43 PM 1463 Views
Just as a contract is a two way street - - 12/10/2010 05:12:09 PM 968 Views
do we have a moral obligation to society? - 12/10/2010 06:00:17 PM 961 Views
It's a good question - 14/10/2010 02:41:21 AM 869 Views
Sort of have to disagree... - 13/10/2010 02:52:07 AM 929 Views
That's not true actually - 14/10/2010 02:35:43 AM 859 Views
Of course it's immoral. - 12/10/2010 05:13:16 PM 931 Views
But does one sided morality work? - 12/10/2010 05:38:56 PM 1053 Views
That's the only kind of morality there is! What the hell is wrong with you? - 12/10/2010 08:15:55 PM 875 Views
nothing wrong with me but I think you are off your meds again - 12/10/2010 09:34:33 PM 879 Views
Re: nothing wrong with me but I think you are off your meds again - 15/10/2010 02:50:49 PM 1375 Views
well I really can't argue with the wrong is wrong end of story belief system - 15/10/2010 05:40:22 PM 1071 Views
A contract isn't a promise; it's a legal agreement. *NM* - 12/10/2010 06:25:24 PM 436 Views
Which is why contracts have to be pages and pages long and combed over by bloodsucking lawyers. - 12/10/2010 06:39:18 PM 917 Views
I would agree with you if contracts didn't provide for breaking them. - 12/10/2010 07:33:15 PM 765 Views
Hrm. - 12/10/2010 07:35:38 PM 973 Views
It's not immoral to break the marriage contract. - 12/10/2010 08:19:50 PM 1030 Views
I don't see that as the flaw in my logic. - 12/10/2010 08:37:52 PM 941 Views
Re: I don't see that as the flaw in my logic. - 12/10/2010 09:00:00 PM 1021 Views
also - 12/10/2010 09:37:38 PM 881 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever. - 13/10/2010 11:38:06 PM 1002 Views
That must be why they have you sign something called an agreementory note *NM* - 12/10/2010 07:33:32 PM 457 Views
Exactly *NM* - 12/10/2010 07:58:25 PM 426 Views
So, you think bankruptcy laws are immoral? - 13/10/2010 12:18:43 AM 907 Views
I don't think it's immoral at all. The contract usually specifies penalties for breach. - 12/10/2010 05:28:34 PM 1019 Views
I thought the answer might be something like that. *NM* - 12/10/2010 05:35:35 PM 408 Views
that is close to the way I see it - 12/10/2010 05:45:25 PM 857 Views
It's both legal and immoral. - 12/10/2010 06:37:49 PM 945 Views
You didn't mention the third party - 12/10/2010 08:26:56 PM 794 Views
in a way I did since I did mention society - 12/10/2010 08:54:07 PM 934 Views
Thus the edit - 12/10/2010 09:10:53 PM 972 Views
either way I think you made a good point *NM* - 12/10/2010 09:38:58 PM 405 Views
will those neighbors... - 14/10/2010 04:52:26 AM 1069 Views
All depends where you get your morals from, really. - 12/10/2010 08:28:41 PM 929 Views
I guess what i was trying to ask, at least in part - 12/10/2010 09:48:24 PM 894 Views
What if you look at it from the other perspective? - 12/10/2010 09:00:20 PM 942 Views
do you think they would if they had a legal way to do it? - 12/10/2010 10:04:57 PM 920 Views
Good point. *NM* - 12/10/2010 11:10:26 PM 426 Views
Sure, you could do that. - 13/10/2010 01:54:55 AM 950 Views
Much like the concept of morality itself. - 12/10/2010 11:47:23 PM 862 Views
I find this line particularly interesting. - 13/10/2010 12:13:18 AM 891 Views
Dunno. - 13/10/2010 12:56:56 AM 991 Views
As a professional in financial services - no, it is not. - 13/10/2010 01:44:18 AM 900 Views
but almost nobody sees it that way - 13/10/2010 12:53:25 PM 892 Views
Is the deal that if you default, the bank gets the house and nothing else, though? - 13/10/2010 02:40:48 PM 883 Views
yes but the bank has a limited ability to collect - 13/10/2010 02:47:34 PM 803 Views
I think it's morally wrong to walk away from credit card debt. *NM* - 13/10/2010 09:43:11 PM 414 Views
I'm curious how you reconcile that - 13/10/2010 09:47:59 PM 913 Views
Collateral - 19/10/2010 07:21:14 PM 1417 Views
I agree, what do you think is different? - 13/10/2010 09:59:36 PM 911 Views
I lost sleep over it, but I did it anyway. - 13/10/2010 05:24:19 AM 983 Views
OK what if you take it a step further - 13/10/2010 03:44:30 PM 935 Views
Good question - 14/10/2010 05:13:41 AM 956 Views
I have some questions about this issue. - 13/10/2010 08:14:37 AM 917 Views
how do those questions affect the morality of the situation? - 13/10/2010 03:20:14 PM 857 Views
Obviously, the essential difference is can't pay versus won't pay. - 13/10/2010 02:16:07 PM 867 Views
are you socializing your debt when it is a private bank? - 13/10/2010 03:14:48 PM 944 Views
You are when said bank requires a bailout. And very many of them do. - 13/10/2010 03:22:59 PM 885 Views
it is the home fault that the banks have to be bailed out - 13/10/2010 03:49:37 PM 933 Views
I believe it immoral to do harm. - 13/10/2010 04:38:28 PM 957 Views
I really don't understand a system where this could be an advantage. - 13/10/2010 11:16:57 PM 899 Views
There's generally something like a 7 or 10 year limit on credit reporting here. - 13/10/2010 11:46:58 PM 911 Views
What's the use of suing someone who has no money? *NM* - 13/10/2010 11:48:47 PM 475 Views
You can garnish their wages. - 13/10/2010 11:49:36 PM 897 Views
With parsley? - 13/10/2010 11:51:37 PM 954 Views
No, "someone" most certainly did not, wicked young Miss! Hmph! *NM* - 13/10/2010 11:52:40 PM 460 Views
If they suddenly come into some, you're entitled to it. *NM* - 14/10/2010 12:07:34 AM 540 Views
Bit of a long shot. *NM* - 14/10/2010 12:09:12 AM 404 Views
Very. Best to cover your bases though. *NM* - 14/10/2010 10:04:25 PM 426 Views
Not if the doctrine of election applies. - 14/10/2010 10:14:07 PM 866 Views
Are we not talking about credit companies going after people who owe them money? - 14/10/2010 10:18:47 PM 915 Views
Yeah, I guess we are. - 14/10/2010 10:28:40 PM 948 Views
Re: - 14/10/2010 03:09:18 AM 903 Views
I am currently in that situation... - 14/10/2010 05:03:23 AM 1006 Views
Re: I am currently in that situation... - 14/10/2010 05:49:24 PM 1230 Views
it is easy for me and others to be glib when it is just a theory *NM* - 14/10/2010 08:19:16 PM 413 Views

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