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Good question John Send a noteboard - 14/10/2010 05:13:41 AM
And by the way, I think this one of the most interesting posts I've seen in a while.

Ultimately, some of the financial loss I've handed to the bank is being taken care of by taxes I've paid. So, between that and the fact that I did try to work with them I think any moral obligation to them is over. Even if that weren't the case, I still might have done it. Their policies are the reason my house was so expensive in the first place, and then lost so much value. They made all kinds of money during the housing boom, so it's only fair if they take some of the loss.

I would feel like I let my neighbors down, but my foreclosure didn't drop their property values at all. The banks here in Bakersfield are already holding so much inventory that the market will stay stable as long as they only sell it off bit by bit, which they have been. My foreclosure will only make the recovery in my city take a tiny bit longer. So really, not much of a moral obligation there either.

I think it was just hard to put it in the right perspective while the process was happenning. Thus the lost sleep.
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do we have a moral obligation to society? - 12/10/2010 06:00:17 PM 970 Views
It's a good question - 14/10/2010 02:41:21 AM 878 Views
Sort of have to disagree... - 13/10/2010 02:52:07 AM 940 Views
That's not true actually - 14/10/2010 02:35:43 AM 871 Views
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That's the only kind of morality there is! What the hell is wrong with you? - 12/10/2010 08:15:55 PM 887 Views
nothing wrong with me but I think you are off your meds again - 12/10/2010 09:34:33 PM 891 Views
Re: nothing wrong with me but I think you are off your meds again - 15/10/2010 02:50:49 PM 1387 Views
well I really can't argue with the wrong is wrong end of story belief system - 15/10/2010 05:40:22 PM 1085 Views
A contract isn't a promise; it's a legal agreement. *NM* - 12/10/2010 06:25:24 PM 441 Views
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Re: I don't see that as the flaw in my logic. - 12/10/2010 09:00:00 PM 1034 Views
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Exactly *NM* - 12/10/2010 07:58:25 PM 429 Views
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that is close to the way I see it - 12/10/2010 05:45:25 PM 871 Views
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You didn't mention the third party - 12/10/2010 08:26:56 PM 807 Views
in a way I did since I did mention society - 12/10/2010 08:54:07 PM 947 Views
Thus the edit - 12/10/2010 09:10:53 PM 981 Views
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will those neighbors... - 14/10/2010 04:52:26 AM 1095 Views
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I guess what i was trying to ask, at least in part - 12/10/2010 09:48:24 PM 932 Views
What if you look at it from the other perspective? - 12/10/2010 09:00:20 PM 954 Views
do you think they would if they had a legal way to do it? - 12/10/2010 10:04:57 PM 932 Views
Good point. *NM* - 12/10/2010 11:10:26 PM 429 Views
Sure, you could do that. - 13/10/2010 01:54:55 AM 963 Views
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I find this line particularly interesting. - 13/10/2010 12:13:18 AM 903 Views
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Collateral - 19/10/2010 07:21:14 PM 1424 Views
I agree, what do you think is different? - 13/10/2010 09:59:36 PM 923 Views
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OK what if you take it a step further - 13/10/2010 03:44:30 PM 972 Views
Good question - 14/10/2010 05:13:41 AM 969 Views
I have some questions about this issue. - 13/10/2010 08:14:37 AM 928 Views
how do those questions affect the morality of the situation? - 13/10/2010 03:20:14 PM 870 Views
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are you socializing your debt when it is a private bank? - 13/10/2010 03:14:48 PM 953 Views
You are when said bank requires a bailout. And very many of them do. - 13/10/2010 03:22:59 PM 896 Views
it is the home fault that the banks have to be bailed out - 13/10/2010 03:49:37 PM 946 Views
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What's the use of suing someone who has no money? *NM* - 13/10/2010 11:48:47 PM 479 Views
You can garnish their wages. - 13/10/2010 11:49:36 PM 909 Views
With parsley? - 13/10/2010 11:51:37 PM 968 Views
No, "someone" most certainly did not, wicked young Miss! Hmph! *NM* - 13/10/2010 11:52:40 PM 465 Views
If they suddenly come into some, you're entitled to it. *NM* - 14/10/2010 12:07:34 AM 544 Views
Bit of a long shot. *NM* - 14/10/2010 12:09:12 AM 409 Views
Very. Best to cover your bases though. *NM* - 14/10/2010 10:04:25 PM 430 Views
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Are we not talking about credit companies going after people who owe them money? - 14/10/2010 10:18:47 PM 926 Views
Yeah, I guess we are. - 14/10/2010 10:28:40 PM 960 Views
Re: - 14/10/2010 03:09:18 AM 915 Views
I am currently in that situation... - 14/10/2010 05:03:23 AM 1026 Views
Re: I am currently in that situation... - 14/10/2010 05:49:24 PM 1241 Views
it is easy for me and others to be glib when it is just a theory *NM* - 14/10/2010 08:19:16 PM 418 Views

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