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Depends on how you view evidence, no? Nate Send a noteboard - 05/12/2010 04:50:11 AM
There is no reason that it should matter to me. I can let people believe whatever they want to when it comes to religious beliefs and respect them. Why not with scientific beliefs? The two are much closer than the proponents of either would be willing to admit. Would ever be able to bring themselves to admit. And why am I baiting you now? I don't know. I had not noticed I had this problem before. Time for some inner house cleaning it looks like. What I say I believe and what I am doing are not in alignment.


Believing in things because of evidence is fundamentally different than believing in things despite a lack of evidence or evidence to the contrary. In other words, the former is rational, while the latter is irrational.


If a person is dying of cancer, prays for a miracle, and watches the cancer go into remission, is that not evidence, to that person, of a higher power? (I am not a religous person, but bear with me.)

The scientist would say no, because the results are not repeatable. Science demands that they be so, and rightly so because science's goals are theory and fact. But religious belief does not have the same condition attached. Does this make it inferior? Only from the point of view of the scientist and his goals, because such belief is incompatible with those goals except as a means to inspire more effort toward them.

You contend that the two types of belief are different because of the reasons behind them, and I'm not saying I think you're wrong. But fundamentally different? I'm not so sure. They are both belief, and they both have an affect on the human spirit (by which I mean human dreams, aspirations, etc., not a literal ghostly spirit thing).

You say that one is rational and one is irrational, which is technically correct. I don't know if you meant any negative connotation to that word, irrational, though it often comes with that negative baggage. Illogical might be the word I'd use instead, for logic and illogic is a more cold, clearly defined division. Irrational suggests, well, crazy. I don't think there's anything crazy about belief in something despite a lack of evidence. That sort of belief can have very real effects on the human condition, on hopes, dreams, interactions with others, the things that inspire us, the things that make us feel wonder and mystery. Those aren't irrational, even if the belief technically is. Sometimes that illogical belief can lead to negative effects, but only sometimes. But pure belief in the unknown, by itself, is not crazy. It keeps our eyes open.

And in the end, both science and religion/belief in the unknown serve one identical purpose: they both make us feel very small in the universe.
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