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Those who have accused specific people or groups will most likely have to backtrack and apologize. Legolas Send a noteboard - 10/01/2011 06:48:33 PM
Like several other notable perpetrators of political crimes, this guy Loughner seems to have a rather confused view of politics with opinions ranging all over the place. If he can in the end be tied to some person or group who would have influenced him to act as he did, it certainly won't be any important or mainstream person/group.

That said, it is admittedly possible but rather unlikely that the shooting was entirely unrelated to politics - i.e., that it was a coincidence that Giffords was the first target. Nobody but Loughner himself is responsible for his actions, but until we know more about his exact motivations, the assumption that there is a connection between his actions and the current political climate is rather more likely than the assumption that there is not. And really, even if it should turn out that there is in fact no connection at all, and the guy had personal reasons for targeting Giffords, the incident may still serve as a wake-up call to the nation that the polarization is reaching dangerous levels. Polarization, of course, being something that per definition involves two "poles". Keith Olbermann certainly doesn't have any room to talk. If some of the left think that their aggressive rhetoric can't possibly lead to violence, I invite them to take a look at the Netherlands and the case of Pim Fortuyn - or, on a less violent but still disturbing level, incidents like the hacking of Sarah Palin's email by liberal whizzkids. Guns are of course associated with the right more than with the left, but since it only takes one deranged person to commit political crimes, such averages are fairly meaningless - and in any case, politics are not so simple that you can neatly divide people into right-wing and left-wing. In that regard, Reynolds certainly has a point - when prominent left-wing politicians point accusing fingers at "the right" or at prominent symbols of the right, be it the Tea Party or Sarah Palin, they are only exacerbating matters. But all politicians left and right should, as I said, consider this an alarm sign about the tone in political discourse and the polarization in politics, and I get the impression that Reynolds is a bit too hasty in amalgamating the latter with the former. As were, incidentally, some people on this forum in the other thread, when reacting to Danu.
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The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel - 10/01/2011 04:02:29 AM 1745 Views
The people politicizing this are idiots. - 10/01/2011 04:44:37 AM 990 Views
Can't argue with that. - 10/01/2011 08:05:32 AM 974 Views
Nothing to argue with there. *NM* - 10/01/2011 05:04:49 AM 371 Views
I do agree it's not her fault; she is a non-entity. - 10/01/2011 12:38:24 PM 928 Views
I agree. *NM* - 10/01/2011 03:41:30 PM 543 Views
The NYT and liberal media have created a climate of stupidity - 10/01/2011 05:47:29 PM 1005 Views
Pot, Kettle. I think you two should discuss your color. - 10/01/2011 09:26:05 PM 1042 Views
nice try but no - 10/01/2011 09:52:01 PM 957 Views
Close your eyes and fill your ears all you want... - 10/01/2011 10:51:45 PM 929 Views
that is hoot coming from the chicken little party - 11/01/2011 02:17:37 PM 964 Views
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...." - 10/01/2011 11:53:10 PM 1205 Views
no you are just wearing Danny's blinders - 11/01/2011 02:15:46 PM 1042 Views
I try to steer clear of personal attacks. - 11/01/2011 04:00:35 PM 957 Views
I try to make my point clear and I can't help if you skip them - 11/01/2011 05:02:41 PM 960 Views
I didn't skip your points, I disputed them. - 11/01/2011 05:51:10 PM 952 Views
you keep claiming both sides but you fail to offer any support - 11/01/2011 06:00:41 PM 968 Views
Not so; you choose not to see the supporting arguments. - 11/01/2011 10:21:09 PM 925 Views
repeating the same claim is not the same as supporting it - 11/01/2011 11:36:52 PM 849 Views
Those who have accused specific people or groups will most likely have to backtrack and apologize. - 10/01/2011 06:48:33 PM 1098 Views
they will neither back track or apologize - 10/01/2011 07:54:54 PM 952 Views
I don't really think the NYT has crossed that line I was talking about. - 10/01/2011 09:54:36 PM 965 Views
not sure where you draw your line but this crosses mine - 10/01/2011 10:11:04 PM 1075 Views
Yes, well, Krugman is Krugman. - 10/01/2011 10:25:31 PM 907 Views
You see to be arguing we should assume his political views were created by the politcal climate - 11/01/2011 03:03:15 PM 1147 Views
Indeed I am. - 11/01/2011 06:18:56 PM 966 Views
wasn't pim fortuyn a right winger though? - 11/01/2011 04:33:26 PM 871 Views
Um, yes, that was pretty much the point I was making. - 11/01/2011 06:22:06 PM 969 Views
Was there anyhting besides his stance on immigration to support the argument he was far right? - 11/01/2011 06:31:05 PM 1097 Views
Yes, though it's true that is the key part. - 11/01/2011 07:11:13 PM 1094 Views
can one posistion define you as being far right or far left? - 11/01/2011 08:23:18 PM 1029 Views
One single position? I wouldn't know, I can't think of any examples. - 11/01/2011 08:41:58 PM 1048 Views
yes you did - 11/01/2011 11:40:50 PM 1163 Views
ok i get it now - 12/01/2011 02:33:48 AM 934 Views
... cut both ways because soulless opportunism knows no creed: - 10/01/2011 09:46:31 PM 1006 Views
They probably wouldn't say much because it really doesn't show much - 10/01/2011 09:58:46 PM 872 Views
It really doesn't show that he has "left leanings". - 10/01/2011 10:07:48 PM 991 Views
Well they call him a liberal and like it or not the Nazi movement was an extreme form of socialism - 10/01/2011 10:22:04 PM 1093 Views
Deep sigh. - 10/01/2011 10:34:33 PM 1039 Views
well we are talking about the US right and left not the European one - 11/01/2011 01:11:30 PM 962 Views
Actually, I believe we were talking about the Nazi right or left. - 11/01/2011 07:04:56 PM 1042 Views
wow I really need to stop posting from my i-phone an you deserve a cookie for being able to follow - 11/01/2011 07:48:35 PM 1163 Views
A thousand times no. - 11/01/2011 10:38:19 PM 1166 Views
Thank you. - 12/01/2011 07:07:14 PM 1040 Views
as for how they want to use this - 12/01/2011 07:35:12 PM 1106 Views
Liberal college professors didn't call the nazis far right, people who lived under Nazis did. - 10/01/2011 10:56:33 PM 1249 Views
If demoniizing your opponet makes your a fscist then you have made my argument for me - 11/01/2011 01:25:51 PM 1083 Views
In a word, no. - 11/01/2011 04:29:36 PM 915 Views
really would you like to point to the right trying to use this to demonize the left? - 11/01/2011 05:59:49 PM 933 Views
I already have, irrespective of your inability and/or refusal to see it. - 11/01/2011 09:53:38 PM 992 Views
so point pointing out blood libel is the same as commiting it? - 11/01/2011 11:31:41 PM 1278 Views
I don't know enough about the story to say much save that partisan finger pointing is wrong. - 10/01/2011 10:30:51 PM 1071 Views
First I don't even know who WorldNet is so I see no reasont o defend them - 11/01/2011 01:36:44 PM 947 Views
For someone who doens't know who WND is you sure circled the wagons around them fast. - 11/01/2011 04:21:40 PM 1157 Views
No they are in no way the same - 11/01/2011 05:06:43 PM 921 Views
They're precisely the same in tone. - 11/01/2011 06:04:42 PM 1033 Views
the only thing you have proven is that you have zero support for your argument - 11/01/2011 06:36:14 PM 964 Views
Enough. - 11/01/2011 10:18:59 PM 930 Views
your evidience is dribble and if that is the best you can I am sorry - 11/01/2011 11:39:05 PM 929 Views
Liberals and Conservatives have rushed to frame Jared Lee Loughner’s motives... - 10/01/2011 10:34:09 PM 1107 Views
Sounds like a plan. - 10/01/2011 11:11:50 PM 1004 Views

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