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The thing is, people who feel really strongly about that usually insist it's a separate language. Tim Send a noteboard - 28/01/2011 04:20:57 PM
Whatever "it" may be in this context. The perception is that "dialect" means your speech, and therefore your group, is part of a larger whole, whereas "language" suggests independence. Obviously in the case of English vs Gaelic (or Irish) there can be no argument that they're the same, but when the question is English vs Scots you'll usually find that the die-hard nationalists are calling it a separate language and the rest of us are calling it a dialect.
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So the Irish government has basically imploded. Stephen - 23/01/2011 04:47:10 PM 1763 Views
I am now confused Camilla - 23/01/2011 05:34:31 PM 1128 Views
You won't be the only person Stephen - 23/01/2011 06:21:23 PM 1024 Views
You do realize Britain is pretty much the envy of the Western world at the moment? Legolas - 23/01/2011 06:27:05 PM 1155 Views
Re: You do realize Britain is pretty much the envy of the Western world at the moment? Camilla - 23/01/2011 06:34:47 PM 1092 Views
I did. There was more violence than in ours, that's true (ours have none so far, knock on wood). Legolas - 23/01/2011 06:41:34 PM 1057 Views
Re: I did. There was more violence than in ours, that's true (ours have none so far, knock on wood). Camilla - 23/01/2011 06:43:41 PM 1009 Views
Those protests were only violent by British standards. Tim - 23/01/2011 11:54:15 PM 1185 Views
Really? Camilla - 24/01/2011 12:03:38 AM 990 Views
But... Wibble - 24/01/2011 07:28:17 PM 1049 Views
Re: But... Camilla - 24/01/2011 07:30:39 PM 1295 Views
What protests? Wibble - 24/01/2011 07:26:49 PM 1132 Views
Re: What protests? Camilla - 24/01/2011 07:28:40 PM 986 Views
Re: What protests? Nebhead - 25/01/2011 09:23:17 AM 1125 Views
There's a new objection Camilla - 25/01/2011 11:38:25 AM 1039 Views
I didn't object... Nebhead - 25/01/2011 11:47:11 AM 934 Views
Re: I didn't object... Camilla - 25/01/2011 11:49:36 AM 910 Views
If you look at the bottom of that list... Nebhead - 25/01/2011 11:58:24 AM 985 Views
And Britain had to live with the Conservative Wilderness for 15 years before it could get there *NM* Roland00 - 24/01/2011 02:43:16 AM 529 Views
Should I start chiming in on Norwegian politics now that I'm here...? Joel - 24/01/2011 12:42:03 AM 1020 Views
Why not? Camilla - 24/01/2011 08:49:07 AM 1081 Views
'Cos I doubt you'll like what I have to say, for one thing. Joel - 26/01/2011 01:55:13 AM 1113 Views
Re: 'Cos I doubt you'll like what I have to say, for one thing. Camilla - 26/01/2011 08:42:04 AM 1133 Views
I misconstrued your sarcasm, sorry. Joel - 26/01/2011 10:23:40 AM 1277 Views
That's been a while coming, hasn't it? Cowen seems to be losing it. Legolas - 23/01/2011 05:48:30 PM 1061 Views
Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months. Stephen - 23/01/2011 06:27:27 PM 1129 Views
Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months. Legolas - 23/01/2011 06:33:26 PM 1067 Views
Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months. Stephen - 23/01/2011 07:19:03 PM 1172 Views
Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months. Legolas - 23/01/2011 07:57:05 PM 1016 Views
Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months. Stephen - 23/01/2011 09:29:03 PM 1134 Views
Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months. Legolas - 23/01/2011 09:46:20 PM 1091 Views
I think Adams is an Irish citizen, and not a British one. Tim - 23/01/2011 11:45:34 PM 1051 Views
Re: I think Adams is an Irish citizen, and not a British one. Stephen - 23/01/2011 11:53:12 PM 1040 Views
The part that I find strange is... Tim - 23/01/2011 11:58:27 PM 1018 Views
Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months. Stephen - 23/01/2011 11:45:39 PM 922 Views
I found out something else today which makes it even better. Tim - 24/01/2011 10:37:45 PM 1235 Views
I was reading your post and going "what about the Chiltern Hundreds"? Legolas - 24/01/2011 10:44:32 PM 1034 Views
Today's news: it got better again! Tim - 26/01/2011 07:51:51 PM 1100 Views
Oh, alternatively we could elevate him to the House of Lords. Tim - 26/01/2011 11:08:44 PM 1064 Views
Awesome idea. Something like "Baron Adams of Londonderry", I'm thinking. *NM* Legolas - 27/01/2011 07:54:26 PM 512 Views
We made his arch-rival a Lord, after all, so it would only be fair. Tim - 28/01/2011 08:26:15 AM 1006 Views
"This is the voice of a life peer" Michael - 28/01/2011 02:18:04 PM 1137 Views
Here you go Elaine - 25/01/2011 12:55:33 PM 1154 Views
That's the site I found too. Tim - 25/01/2011 01:25:56 PM 989 Views
Right. Elaine - 25/01/2011 01:42:49 PM 1228 Views
well, the only interesting thing in swedish politics is a wikileaks document and the reactions... jh - 23/01/2011 06:21:00 PM 1103 Views
That's interesting Stephen - 23/01/2011 06:32:05 PM 1069 Views
What is inappropriate about trying to keep out barbaric unskilled people? Tom - 23/01/2011 10:59:53 PM 1081 Views
The inappropriateness is the generalisation in the claim Camilla - 23/01/2011 11:16:52 PM 1074 Views
Generalizations are inappropriate when they are disproven by statistics, and appropriate when proven Tom - 24/01/2011 07:33:14 PM 1010 Views
I've looked into the statistics a bit more. Tom - 24/01/2011 09:11:52 PM 1019 Views
I take it you're talking about the Middle East in its most narrow sense here. Legolas - 24/01/2011 09:56:22 PM 1061 Views
... the fact that they are asylum seekers, and their skill certainly shouldn't matter in that case. jh - 24/01/2011 07:08:14 PM 944 Views
Schweden schafft sich ab, eh? Tom - 24/01/2011 07:31:33 PM 1209 Views
Not to mention... ßelals Girl - 26/01/2011 07:55:26 PM 935 Views
ßelals Girl - 26/01/2011 07:46:19 PM 1055 Views
Hopefully they'll stop using Irish officially as a way to cut down on unnecessary costs. Tom - 23/01/2011 10:57:08 PM 1010 Views
I'd support that Stephen - 23/01/2011 11:26:20 PM 1078 Views
Ironically, if you de-officialised Irish you could get EU money to help preserve it. Tim - 23/01/2011 11:48:14 PM 977 Views
I never realised that Stephen - 23/01/2011 11:54:43 PM 1008 Views
But why, why? Tom - 24/01/2011 08:35:43 PM 963 Views
Because it's the only thing justifying their insistence they're not British? Legolas - 24/01/2011 10:03:54 PM 1020 Views
But all language learning should be purely voluntary (after what parents teach their children). Tom - 25/01/2011 03:05:28 AM 996 Views
What, so you don't think students in high school should be taught foreign languages? Legolas - 25/01/2011 06:34:21 PM 1029 Views
Irish is the mother tongue of about 7,000-15,000 people at most. Tom - 26/01/2011 05:04:00 AM 1056 Views
Wikipedia says it's more like 40k-80k. Legolas - 26/01/2011 06:41:41 PM 1422 Views
And Elaine, Stephen, or any other Irish people here: do feel free to comment. *NM* Legolas - 26/01/2011 06:42:36 PM 511 Views
Inflated statistics from what I've read. Tom - 26/01/2011 09:45:51 PM 965 Views
They might be, indeed. Elaine - 27/01/2011 01:08:09 PM 1210 Views
More to the point, are YOU interested in learning Irish? Tom - 26/01/2011 05:15:18 AM 968 Views
Calling Ireland the new Sodom and Gomorrah, are you? Legolas - 26/01/2011 06:02:05 PM 1114 Views
I don't think it's as fun as Sodom and Gomorrah, at least not post-crisis. Tom - 26/01/2011 09:48:54 PM 1065 Views
Re: I don't think it's as fun as Sodom and Gomorrah, at least not post-crisis. Legolas - 27/01/2011 08:42:21 PM 951 Views
Presumably because they agree with J.R.R. Tolkien and Tómas Sæmundsson about language's importance. Tim - 24/01/2011 10:16:05 PM 1108 Views
So Australians and New Zealanders are really English then? Austrians are just Germans? Tom - 25/01/2011 03:01:14 AM 1063 Views
I never said I agreed . Tim - 25/01/2011 08:19:11 AM 1030 Views
I would suggest that a distinct dialect does the job just as well majander - 25/01/2011 02:23:59 PM 1075 Views
That's a very good point. Tom - 26/01/2011 05:06:32 AM 1044 Views
Indeed. Legolas - 26/01/2011 06:06:00 PM 1087 Views
The thing is, people who feel really strongly about that usually insist it's a separate language. Tim - 28/01/2011 04:20:57 PM 913 Views
It's really more about having a unique silly costume to wear at Miss Universe pageants. Tom - 26/01/2011 05:09:10 AM 904 Views
You're confusing what we sell to gullible American tourists with what we actually value . *NM* Tim - 28/01/2011 04:15:01 PM 459 Views
What the hell happened to the Celtic Tiger Country? *NM* Blaine - 24/01/2011 05:47:12 AM 587 Views
Thrown away on bling and tat, unfortunately. Elaine - 24/01/2011 01:01:27 PM 944 Views
The Celtic Tiger is dead, Ireland had a GDP contraction of 14% in the last two years. Roland00 - 24/01/2011 01:47:06 PM 1018 Views
It's still there, but it aimed a bit too high and got a bit scorched. Legolas - 24/01/2011 10:07:36 PM 912 Views
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