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The thing is, people who feel really strongly about that usually insist it's a separate language. Tim Send a noteboard - 28/01/2011 04:20:57 PM
Whatever "it" may be in this context. The perception is that "dialect" means your speech, and therefore your group, is part of a larger whole, whereas "language" suggests independence. Obviously in the case of English vs Gaelic (or Irish) there can be no argument that they're the same, but when the question is English vs Scots you'll usually find that the die-hard nationalists are calling it a separate language and the rest of us are calling it a dialect.
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So the Irish government has basically imploded. Stephen - 23/01/2011 04:47:10 PM 1817 Views
I am now confused Camilla - 23/01/2011 05:34:31 PM 1175 Views
You won't be the only person Stephen - 23/01/2011 06:21:23 PM 1070 Views
You do realize Britain is pretty much the envy of the Western world at the moment? Legolas - 23/01/2011 06:27:05 PM 1212 Views
Re: You do realize Britain is pretty much the envy of the Western world at the moment? Camilla - 23/01/2011 06:34:47 PM 1153 Views
I did. There was more violence than in ours, that's true (ours have none so far, knock on wood). Legolas - 23/01/2011 06:41:34 PM 1119 Views
Re: I did. There was more violence than in ours, that's true (ours have none so far, knock on wood). Camilla - 23/01/2011 06:43:41 PM 1075 Views
Those protests were only violent by British standards. Tim - 23/01/2011 11:54:15 PM 1248 Views
Really? Camilla - 24/01/2011 12:03:38 AM 1044 Views
But... Wibble - 24/01/2011 07:28:17 PM 1095 Views
Re: But... Camilla - 24/01/2011 07:30:39 PM 1345 Views
What protests? Wibble - 24/01/2011 07:26:49 PM 1177 Views
Re: What protests? Camilla - 24/01/2011 07:28:40 PM 1038 Views
Re: What protests? Nebhead - 25/01/2011 09:23:17 AM 1173 Views
There's a new objection Camilla - 25/01/2011 11:38:25 AM 1087 Views
I didn't object... Nebhead - 25/01/2011 11:47:11 AM 983 Views
Re: I didn't object... Camilla - 25/01/2011 11:49:36 AM 979 Views
If you look at the bottom of that list... Nebhead - 25/01/2011 11:58:24 AM 1030 Views
And Britain had to live with the Conservative Wilderness for 15 years before it could get there *NM* Roland00 - 24/01/2011 02:43:16 AM 554 Views
Should I start chiming in on Norwegian politics now that I'm here...? Joel - 24/01/2011 12:42:03 AM 1075 Views
Why not? Camilla - 24/01/2011 08:49:07 AM 1128 Views
'Cos I doubt you'll like what I have to say, for one thing. Joel - 26/01/2011 01:55:13 AM 1160 Views
Re: 'Cos I doubt you'll like what I have to say, for one thing. Camilla - 26/01/2011 08:42:04 AM 1183 Views
I misconstrued your sarcasm, sorry. Joel - 26/01/2011 10:23:40 AM 1325 Views
That's been a while coming, hasn't it? Cowen seems to be losing it. Legolas - 23/01/2011 05:48:30 PM 1112 Views
Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months. Stephen - 23/01/2011 06:27:27 PM 1176 Views
Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months. Legolas - 23/01/2011 06:33:26 PM 1114 Views
Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months. Stephen - 23/01/2011 07:19:03 PM 1243 Views
Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months. Legolas - 23/01/2011 07:57:05 PM 1067 Views
Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months. Stephen - 23/01/2011 09:29:03 PM 1183 Views
Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months. Legolas - 23/01/2011 09:46:20 PM 1138 Views
I think Adams is an Irish citizen, and not a British one. Tim - 23/01/2011 11:45:34 PM 1094 Views
Re: I think Adams is an Irish citizen, and not a British one. Stephen - 23/01/2011 11:53:12 PM 1090 Views
The part that I find strange is... Tim - 23/01/2011 11:58:27 PM 1062 Views
Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months. Stephen - 23/01/2011 11:45:39 PM 969 Views
I found out something else today which makes it even better. Tim - 24/01/2011 10:37:45 PM 1297 Views
I was reading your post and going "what about the Chiltern Hundreds"? Legolas - 24/01/2011 10:44:32 PM 1078 Views
Today's news: it got better again! Tim - 26/01/2011 07:51:51 PM 1152 Views
Oh, alternatively we could elevate him to the House of Lords. Tim - 26/01/2011 11:08:44 PM 1114 Views
Awesome idea. Something like "Baron Adams of Londonderry", I'm thinking. *NM* Legolas - 27/01/2011 07:54:26 PM 541 Views
We made his arch-rival a Lord, after all, so it would only be fair. Tim - 28/01/2011 08:26:15 AM 1056 Views
"This is the voice of a life peer" Michael - 28/01/2011 02:18:04 PM 1181 Views
Here you go Elaine - 25/01/2011 12:55:33 PM 1212 Views
That's the site I found too. Tim - 25/01/2011 01:25:56 PM 1042 Views
Right. Elaine - 25/01/2011 01:42:49 PM 1297 Views
well, the only interesting thing in swedish politics is a wikileaks document and the reactions... jh - 23/01/2011 06:21:00 PM 1147 Views
That's interesting Stephen - 23/01/2011 06:32:05 PM 1117 Views
What is inappropriate about trying to keep out barbaric unskilled people? Tom - 23/01/2011 10:59:53 PM 1125 Views
The inappropriateness is the generalisation in the claim Camilla - 23/01/2011 11:16:52 PM 1125 Views
Generalizations are inappropriate when they are disproven by statistics, and appropriate when proven Tom - 24/01/2011 07:33:14 PM 1061 Views
I've looked into the statistics a bit more. Tom - 24/01/2011 09:11:52 PM 1059 Views
I take it you're talking about the Middle East in its most narrow sense here. Legolas - 24/01/2011 09:56:22 PM 1120 Views
... the fact that they are asylum seekers, and their skill certainly shouldn't matter in that case. jh - 24/01/2011 07:08:14 PM 993 Views
Schweden schafft sich ab, eh? Tom - 24/01/2011 07:31:33 PM 1269 Views
Not to mention... ßelals Girl - 26/01/2011 07:55:26 PM 983 Views
ßelals Girl - 26/01/2011 07:46:19 PM 1097 Views
Hopefully they'll stop using Irish officially as a way to cut down on unnecessary costs. Tom - 23/01/2011 10:57:08 PM 1060 Views
I'd support that Stephen - 23/01/2011 11:26:20 PM 1120 Views
Ironically, if you de-officialised Irish you could get EU money to help preserve it. Tim - 23/01/2011 11:48:14 PM 1027 Views
I never realised that Stephen - 23/01/2011 11:54:43 PM 1060 Views
But why, why? Tom - 24/01/2011 08:35:43 PM 1009 Views
Because it's the only thing justifying their insistence they're not British? Legolas - 24/01/2011 10:03:54 PM 1083 Views
But all language learning should be purely voluntary (after what parents teach their children). Tom - 25/01/2011 03:05:28 AM 1042 Views
What, so you don't think students in high school should be taught foreign languages? Legolas - 25/01/2011 06:34:21 PM 1071 Views
Irish is the mother tongue of about 7,000-15,000 people at most. Tom - 26/01/2011 05:04:00 AM 1105 Views
Wikipedia says it's more like 40k-80k. Legolas - 26/01/2011 06:41:41 PM 1472 Views
And Elaine, Stephen, or any other Irish people here: do feel free to comment. *NM* Legolas - 26/01/2011 06:42:36 PM 543 Views
Inflated statistics from what I've read. Tom - 26/01/2011 09:45:51 PM 1012 Views
They might be, indeed. Elaine - 27/01/2011 01:08:09 PM 1264 Views
More to the point, are YOU interested in learning Irish? Tom - 26/01/2011 05:15:18 AM 1017 Views
Calling Ireland the new Sodom and Gomorrah, are you? Legolas - 26/01/2011 06:02:05 PM 1164 Views
I don't think it's as fun as Sodom and Gomorrah, at least not post-crisis. Tom - 26/01/2011 09:48:54 PM 1112 Views
Re: I don't think it's as fun as Sodom and Gomorrah, at least not post-crisis. Legolas - 27/01/2011 08:42:21 PM 997 Views
Presumably because they agree with J.R.R. Tolkien and Tómas Sæmundsson about language's importance. Tim - 24/01/2011 10:16:05 PM 1157 Views
So Australians and New Zealanders are really English then? Austrians are just Germans? Tom - 25/01/2011 03:01:14 AM 1111 Views
I never said I agreed . Tim - 25/01/2011 08:19:11 AM 1082 Views
I would suggest that a distinct dialect does the job just as well majander - 25/01/2011 02:23:59 PM 1122 Views
That's a very good point. Tom - 26/01/2011 05:06:32 AM 1095 Views
Indeed. Legolas - 26/01/2011 06:06:00 PM 1137 Views
The thing is, people who feel really strongly about that usually insist it's a separate language. Tim - 28/01/2011 04:20:57 PM 986 Views
It's really more about having a unique silly costume to wear at Miss Universe pageants. Tom - 26/01/2011 05:09:10 AM 951 Views
You're confusing what we sell to gullible American tourists with what we actually value . *NM* Tim - 28/01/2011 04:15:01 PM 486 Views
What the hell happened to the Celtic Tiger Country? *NM* Blaine - 24/01/2011 05:47:12 AM 612 Views
Thrown away on bling and tat, unfortunately. Elaine - 24/01/2011 01:01:27 PM 995 Views
The Celtic Tiger is dead, Ireland had a GDP contraction of 14% in the last two years. Roland00 - 24/01/2011 01:47:06 PM 1073 Views
It's still there, but it aimed a bit too high and got a bit scorched. Legolas - 24/01/2011 10:07:36 PM 961 Views
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