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More than anything it seems like America is importing the "no good guys here" phenomenon. Joel Send a noteboard - 13/03/2011 08:41:07 PM
If people want to object to a particular group or some of its members that's one thing; the documented history of at least two of the charity speakers makes that understandable (whether or not it's entirely justified is open to debate). If the group sponsoring the event has been as credibly linked to terrorist groups as Isaac says, it's QUITE understandable; there's also a well documented history of people thinking that donating money to terrorist groups somehow satisfies the charitable Pillar of Islam (e.g. several senior members of the Saudi royal family/government, in particular the kings uncle/defense minister, donating money to Al Qaeda and calling it Zakat). Without getting into whether I support such allegations against anyone involved with the charity event (frankly, I don't know enough about any of them to take a position) I can see why people might make them and protest the event as a result.

It's a long way from there to saying all of Islam is "pure unadulterated evil" though, and that kind of statement from a high ranking member of the city government is rather disturbing. I think most people would be troubled (to say the least) if a member of their local city council felt their particular religion was "pure unadulterated evil", let alone if they made a public appearance just to say so. Whether they did so during the fundraising event or hours later is largely irrelevant; operating cloaked by night (among other things... ) doesn't legitimize the Klan and it doesn't legitimize this. I have my own issues with Islam (to say the least) but dismissing every Muslim as a terrorist servant of evil is absurd and shameful. We should demand better of our elected leaders, and it bodes ill for the nation if we do not.
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ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 07:05:33 AM 1598 Views
actually it wasnt at an Islamic Center, It was a city center rented out by muslims for the night - 13/03/2011 08:29:10 AM 1189 Views
since you are OK with judging all Tea Part memebers by the actions of a few - 13/03/2011 01:03:42 PM 1064 Views
The problem with that is that Muslims aren't electing terrorists to city councils or Congress. - 13/03/2011 08:13:38 PM 988 Views
I couldn't even finish watching that *NM* - 13/03/2011 11:29:34 AM 680 Views
Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 11:54:37 AM 1086 Views
I have to ask. Is this actually real? *NM* - 13/03/2011 12:36:50 PM 505 Views
Somewhat - 13/03/2011 04:05:14 PM 1146 Views
While I can accept peoples' problems with the speakers... - 13/03/2011 05:19:50 PM 1104 Views
Oh, agreed - 13/03/2011 06:37:43 PM 1094 Views
and then there are the biased idiots who only need a video of few people chanting - 13/03/2011 01:02:07 PM 1218 Views
A very small number of people who happen to include elected leaders. - 13/03/2011 08:42:37 PM 1117 Views
How many elected officals were there shouting at people as they entered the event? - 14/03/2011 04:22:34 PM 1060 Views
Three, by my count. - 14/03/2011 06:02:06 PM 1061 Views
yes but since you are just making it that doesn't really count - 14/03/2011 06:30:24 PM 1081 Views
Folks on "my side" don't suggest US Marines murder people on yours; why does who tallies matter? - 14/03/2011 07:25:12 PM 1068 Views
no folk on your side try to firebomb political conventions and then claim they are vicitims - 14/03/2011 09:02:27 PM 916 Views
More than anything it seems like America is importing the "no good guys here" phenomenon. - 13/03/2011 08:41:07 PM 1045 Views
Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 10:05:40 PM 1021 Views
The Tea Party sponsored the event where people they elected said that stuff. - 14/03/2011 07:42:29 PM 1223 Views
do you believe there is single group the Tea Party? - 14/03/2011 09:03:10 PM 1042 Views
Is it acceptable.... - 14/03/2011 03:52:14 PM 1009 Views
Elected officials shouldn't suggest the US Marines murder US citizens. - 14/03/2011 07:39:42 PM 1078 Views
I agree but do have an example of that happening or are you just twisiting what was said there? - 14/03/2011 09:12:10 PM 1062 Views
Dude, I QUOTED an example in my above response to you. - 14/03/2011 10:11:02 PM 1037 Views
You have one line tyaken out of context and even then you are spinning it - 14/03/2011 11:04:38 PM 906 Views
No, just quoting it. - 15/03/2011 12:42:31 AM 1003 Views
so you are just going to ignore the edit and belive what you want to believe - 15/03/2011 02:58:36 PM 1046 Views
I believe what I saw and heard; why can't you? - 15/03/2011 08:55:45 PM 1101 Views
you saw and herd a few sentences taken out of context - 15/03/2011 09:29:55 PM 937 Views
You think that speech gets better if we listen to all of it? - 15/03/2011 10:53:55 PM 1176 Views
no Joel you don't know Jack shit about what she said - 16/03/2011 01:21:47 AM 1260 Views
Simmer down - 14/03/2011 09:50:05 PM 1078 Views
Well, if you aren't trying to equate them even the dubious "two wrongs make a right" defense fails. - 14/03/2011 10:01:57 PM 1079 Views
Don't be foolish... - 14/03/2011 10:13:44 PM 996 Views
Re: Don't be foolish... - 14/03/2011 10:38:18 PM 1001 Views
no different than using a quote out of context - 14/03/2011 08:25:22 PM 1089 Views
Too clarify... - 14/03/2011 08:40:19 PM 1031 Views
Re: Too clarify... - 15/03/2011 01:07:05 AM 1052 Views
Re: Too clarify... - 15/03/2011 02:31:06 AM 1050 Views
Notice..... - 14/03/2011 09:55:00 PM 1002 Views
Re: Notice..... - 15/03/2011 01:15:19 AM 1090 Views
Totally getting déjà vu of déjà vu from the thread here. *NM* - 14/03/2011 09:44:11 PM 474 Views
No kidding; at least no one got shot this time. - 14/03/2011 10:44:07 PM 974 Views

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