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More than anything it seems like America is importing the "no good guys here" phenomenon. Joel Send a noteboard - 13/03/2011 08:41:07 PM
If people want to object to a particular group or some of its members that's one thing; the documented history of at least two of the charity speakers makes that understandable (whether or not it's entirely justified is open to debate). If the group sponsoring the event has been as credibly linked to terrorist groups as Isaac says, it's QUITE understandable; there's also a well documented history of people thinking that donating money to terrorist groups somehow satisfies the charitable Pillar of Islam (e.g. several senior members of the Saudi royal family/government, in particular the kings uncle/defense minister, donating money to Al Qaeda and calling it Zakat). Without getting into whether I support such allegations against anyone involved with the charity event (frankly, I don't know enough about any of them to take a position) I can see why people might make them and protest the event as a result.

It's a long way from there to saying all of Islam is "pure unadulterated evil" though, and that kind of statement from a high ranking member of the city government is rather disturbing. I think most people would be troubled (to say the least) if a member of their local city council felt their particular religion was "pure unadulterated evil", let alone if they made a public appearance just to say so. Whether they did so during the fundraising event or hours later is largely irrelevant; operating cloaked by night (among other things... ) doesn't legitimize the Klan and it doesn't legitimize this. I have my own issues with Islam (to say the least) but dismissing every Muslim as a terrorist servant of evil is absurd and shameful. We should demand better of our elected leaders, and it bodes ill for the nation if we do not.
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ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 07:05:33 AM 1314 Views
actually it wasnt at an Islamic Center, It was a city center rented out by muslims for the night - 13/03/2011 08:29:10 AM 899 Views
since you are OK with judging all Tea Part memebers by the actions of a few - 13/03/2011 01:03:42 PM 771 Views
The problem with that is that Muslims aren't electing terrorists to city councils or Congress. - 13/03/2011 08:13:38 PM 711 Views
I couldn't even finish watching that *NM* - 13/03/2011 11:29:34 AM 522 Views
Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 11:54:37 AM 790 Views
I have to ask. Is this actually real? *NM* - 13/03/2011 12:36:50 PM 381 Views
Somewhat - 13/03/2011 04:05:14 PM 796 Views
While I can accept peoples' problems with the speakers... - 13/03/2011 05:19:50 PM 814 Views
Oh, agreed - 13/03/2011 06:37:43 PM 795 Views
and then there are the biased idiots who only need a video of few people chanting - 13/03/2011 01:02:07 PM 910 Views
A very small number of people who happen to include elected leaders. - 13/03/2011 08:42:37 PM 849 Views
How many elected officals were there shouting at people as they entered the event? - 14/03/2011 04:22:34 PM 771 Views
Three, by my count. - 14/03/2011 06:02:06 PM 756 Views
yes but since you are just making it that doesn't really count - 14/03/2011 06:30:24 PM 791 Views
Folks on "my side" don't suggest US Marines murder people on yours; why does who tallies matter? - 14/03/2011 07:25:12 PM 759 Views
no folk on your side try to firebomb political conventions and then claim they are vicitims - 14/03/2011 09:02:27 PM 626 Views
More than anything it seems like America is importing the "no good guys here" phenomenon. - 13/03/2011 08:41:07 PM 731 Views
Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 10:05:40 PM 740 Views
Is it acceptable.... - 14/03/2011 03:52:14 PM 730 Views
Elected officials shouldn't suggest the US Marines murder US citizens. - 14/03/2011 07:39:42 PM 769 Views
I agree but do have an example of that happening or are you just twisiting what was said there? - 14/03/2011 09:12:10 PM 783 Views
Dude, I QUOTED an example in my above response to you. - 14/03/2011 10:11:02 PM 745 Views
You have one line tyaken out of context and even then you are spinning it - 14/03/2011 11:04:38 PM 627 Views
No, just quoting it. - 15/03/2011 12:42:31 AM 718 Views
so you are just going to ignore the edit and belive what you want to believe - 15/03/2011 02:58:36 PM 716 Views
I believe what I saw and heard; why can't you? - 15/03/2011 08:55:45 PM 768 Views
you saw and herd a few sentences taken out of context - 15/03/2011 09:29:55 PM 636 Views
You think that speech gets better if we listen to all of it? - 15/03/2011 10:53:55 PM 894 Views
no Joel you don't know Jack shit about what she said - 16/03/2011 01:21:47 AM 967 Views
Simmer down - 14/03/2011 09:50:05 PM 781 Views
Well, if you aren't trying to equate them even the dubious "two wrongs make a right" defense fails. - 14/03/2011 10:01:57 PM 766 Views
Don't be foolish... - 14/03/2011 10:13:44 PM 711 Views
Re: Don't be foolish... - 14/03/2011 10:38:18 PM 715 Views
no different than using a quote out of context - 14/03/2011 08:25:22 PM 811 Views
Too clarify... - 14/03/2011 08:40:19 PM 761 Views
Re: Too clarify... - 15/03/2011 01:07:05 AM 775 Views
Re: Too clarify... - 15/03/2011 02:31:06 AM 757 Views
Notice..... - 14/03/2011 09:55:00 PM 705 Views
Re: Notice..... - 15/03/2011 01:15:19 AM 778 Views
Totally getting déjà vu of déjà vu from the thread here. *NM* - 14/03/2011 09:44:11 PM 342 Views
No kidding; at least no one got shot this time. - 14/03/2011 10:44:07 PM 674 Views

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