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So then my question is.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 13/04/2011 07:08:42 PM
Why bother calling yourself a Christian at all?

My soteriology centers around this world and not the next, so I wouldn't really see any reason to stop calling myself a Christian. I'd still become a deacon, I think; it's focused on actions more than preaching faith anyway. In terms of what I taught, I would try to teach people to live Christ-like lives. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" appears in virtually all morality systems; you don't need a particular brand of belief for that.

So yeah, not much change for me, but I can see it affecting some people. On the other hand, a lot of Christians don't think that other proven facts are true (evolution), so I'm sure you'd have some element that didn't believe.


You mention how your soteriology centers around this world (which the Bible says is fallen and sinful...and it is), and is not going to last (as it will be made anew)....how can you justify being focused on this world, when salvation from sin and (spiritual) death is the *entire* reason why Jesus came to earth in the first place?

You mention that your faith is more focused on actions rather than preaching the faith....oddly enough, that in and of itself isn't Christ-like either...since Christ did preach as well as put it into action.

And then you mention that you're somewhat partial to reincarnation...when the Bible clearly points out that a person dies once, and then the judgement.

I know that I'm somewhat strict in my Christian belief, but even some of the more liberal Christians here would balk at justifying some of your expressed beliefs here with the title of Christian.

~Jeordam
ex-Admin at wotmania (all things wot & art galleries)
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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Sorry :-) Helene - 14/04/2011 10:15:30 AM 1145 Views
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Heh. Loose faith. LadyLorraine - 14/04/2011 02:32:27 AM 1036 Views
It kinda still works though....doesn't it? Jeordam - 14/04/2011 04:14:19 PM 1053 Views
it does work. well in fact! *NM* LadyLorraine - 24/04/2011 03:24:25 AM 585 Views
Oooh... Burr - 14/04/2011 04:31:30 AM 1116 Views
Who says..... Jeordam - 14/04/2011 04:26:31 PM 1173 Views
Wow, thanks for all the responses!! Antigone - 14/04/2011 03:42:38 AM 1180 Views
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