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Who says..... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 14/04/2011 04:26:31 PM
I like the way you put the carbon dating thing. Wheras the idea that God put dinosaur bones into the ground makes him seem a lying trickster, the idea that he created everything like that makes him more a truthful storyteller.

But it also raises fun questions like whether or not the Bible itself is one such thing. Maybe God really only just created the universe one second ago.


that God created dino bones in the dirt? I like to challenge students to this idea.....(I don't know if someone more learned then I has postulated this, but I thought it was interesting).

Take a literal account of the creation story....everything from the universe (as we know it) to humans was created in six of our 24hr days. Ok...you will notice that not long after that passage in the Bible, the story begins of the serpent, and the Fall, and everything. But here's the fun part. There is no time reference for us to know if it happened like...the next week, or a very long time later?

Ultimately, we have no idea how long Adam & Eve were in the Garden of Eden before the Fall. It could have been for a very long time....and in that time, any sort of thing could have happened to whatever was roaming the earth....including dinos.

There's a verse in the Bible which says that our ways are not God's ways. This is a comforting thought considering my ways often screw things up, and I don't always think of everything. God, on the other hand, has a bigger perspective and can think of everything.

So we live in a world where even the ground...and the stuff in the ground...says that the world is very, very old. And in our intellect, we have created concepts which explain this. But it comes down to...do we have the faith to believe in God *despite* what the dirt is telling us? After all...even when it comes to what we think the dirt is telling us...we still have to take that on faith. So which faith is stronger?

~Jeordam
ex-Admin at wotmania (all things wot & art galleries)
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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It makes poems pretty. Vivien - 13/04/2011 07:00:03 PM 1159 Views
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it wouldn't change much for me, but I'm pretty flexible in my spiritual beliefs LadyLorraine - 12/04/2011 04:23:34 PM 1169 Views
This. *NM* Avendesora - 13/04/2011 04:15:11 PM 618 Views
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What happened to two? *NM* Ghavrel - 12/04/2011 08:20:41 PM 622 Views
Thanks, I fixed it. *NM* Vivien - 12/04/2011 08:29:20 PM 633 Views
Your comments, or mine? Joel - 13/04/2011 01:24:53 AM 1564 Views
You get one guess. Vivien - 13/04/2011 07:09:01 PM 1287 Views
One dismissive answer deserves another. Joel - 24/04/2011 12:54:44 AM 1181 Views
I'm a Christian who is partial to reincarnation, so I do not think much would change. Ghavrel - 12/04/2011 06:21:36 PM 1129 Views
*is disappointed* *NM* Vivien - 12/04/2011 08:01:05 PM 558 Views
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I bet you do! Vivien - 12/04/2011 08:47:59 PM 1074 Views
Re: I bet you do! Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 04:02:07 AM 1089 Views
Does it really? Joel - 24/04/2011 01:09:34 AM 1010 Views
OMG! Vivien - 14/04/2011 06:19:50 PM 1102 Views
Go expand his worldview. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/04/2011 06:56:03 PM 585 Views
I think we are similar in some respects philosophically. everynametaken - 13/04/2011 05:59:38 AM 1063 Views
That's pretty much how I feel. Being a universalist helps in that respect. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 06:25:34 AM 628 Views
Who says.... Jeordam - 13/04/2011 07:11:24 PM 1019 Views
So then my question is.... Jeordam - 13/04/2011 07:08:42 PM 1019 Views
Because I believe that Jesus was an incarnation of the λόγος. Ghavrel - 14/04/2011 12:36:36 AM 1046 Views
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I think I answered it pretty clearly in my post title. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/04/2011 06:59:47 PM 639 Views
Actually, you didn't. Jeordam - 15/04/2011 12:12:42 AM 1119 Views
Re: Actually, you didn't. Ghavrel - 24/04/2011 09:04:04 AM 1098 Views
I think that, like a lot of other people responding, I would want and need more information. Tom - 12/04/2011 07:13:14 PM 1051 Views
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Okay, I have to admit I wasn't expecting to get called out on that. Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 04:03:08 AM 1182 Views
no I think that's just the literal definition... LadyLorraine - 12/04/2011 11:19:18 PM 1012 Views
Isn't that what "technically" would imply? Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 04:04:42 AM 1208 Views
And that's why I don't quibble with %'s, I just say I'm an atheist *NM* Vivien - 12/04/2011 09:45:31 PM 674 Views
It certainly doesn't mean you can't make conclusions. Tom - 12/04/2011 08:09:41 PM 1174 Views
Re: Campbell: Gaps - 12/04/2011 08:42:09 PM 1162 Views
Self-identification is an interesting point here. Tom - 12/04/2011 09:00:46 PM 1093 Views
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Sadly enough, one of my favorite explanations of religion came from someone discussing a video game. Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 04:12:23 AM 1108 Views
Re: I'm basically a Magi. I'm going to travel to Brazil and then take over the world. *NM* Gaps - 13/04/2011 04:18:25 AM 674 Views
Either you meant "Magus" or you are a schizophrenic wizard. Both are acceptably awesome. Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 05:37:34 AM 1103 Views
Re: I think it was Jarod Diamond... Gaps - 14/04/2011 03:39:32 AM 1089 Views
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Answers. Vivien - 12/04/2011 09:05:38 PM 1066 Views
That's not a compelling counter-argument for me. Tom - 12/04/2011 11:22:21 PM 1238 Views
Never mind. Aeryn - 12/04/2011 11:34:46 PM 1032 Views
be sure to post if it does happen *NM* random thoughts - 12/04/2011 11:56:17 PM 574 Views
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My mom used to have dreams like that, usually about relatives. Joel - 13/04/2011 02:25:45 AM 1195 Views
I can easily believe that. Tom - 13/04/2011 06:14:51 AM 1009 Views
Taking things at face value is usually unwise, but the face value can still be correct. Joel - 24/04/2011 12:11:51 AM 951 Views
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Pythagoras was a total nut. Vivien - 12/04/2011 10:05:42 PM 1154 Views
True Stephen - 12/04/2011 10:13:43 PM 1050 Views
It would upset my belief in science random thoughts - 12/04/2011 09:39:39 PM 1200 Views
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If science proved there really was an Easter Bunny would it affect your believe in science? *NM* random thoughts - 12/04/2011 10:30:09 PM 679 Views
*is both bored and annoyed* Vivien - 12/04/2011 11:03:10 PM 1068 Views
right. Aeryn - 12/04/2011 11:18:31 PM 1266 Views
and what if science proved that science was false? random thoughts - 12/04/2011 11:48:32 PM 1140 Views
I think that's kind of the point; it can't. Joel - 13/04/2011 01:33:44 AM 1014 Views
Did you read my original post? random thoughts - 13/04/2011 03:13:34 AM 983 Views
I did, yes. Joel - 13/04/2011 03:32:18 AM 1027 Views
Yes it would upset my belief in science, why is that so hard to accept random thoughts - 13/04/2011 01:56:59 PM 1134 Views
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I'm really happy you've read them and got the reference. Phineas Gage, Steel Inquisitor. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/04/2011 12:29:01 AM 565 Views
No. Joel - 23/04/2011 09:15:16 PM 1075 Views
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"We" don't know that; that's the problem. Joel - 24/04/2011 07:02:49 AM 1216 Views
Can one have an identity without memory? *NM* Aeryn - 13/04/2011 03:46:16 PM 606 Views
Sure. Joel - 23/04/2011 08:53:51 PM 907 Views
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Re: My question about souls: who will save your souuuuls? *NM* Gaps - 13/04/2011 04:04:21 AM 607 Views
I would becoming interested in tracing people's souls across time/space Helene - 13/04/2011 04:00:51 PM 1054 Views
Re: I would becoming interested in tracing people's souls across time/space Antigone - 14/04/2011 03:29:55 AM 1132 Views
Sorry :-) Helene - 14/04/2011 10:15:30 AM 1143 Views
Interesting concept.... Jeordam - 13/04/2011 07:28:42 PM 1033 Views
Heh. Loose faith. LadyLorraine - 14/04/2011 02:32:27 AM 1035 Views
It kinda still works though....doesn't it? Jeordam - 14/04/2011 04:14:19 PM 1053 Views
it does work. well in fact! *NM* LadyLorraine - 24/04/2011 03:24:25 AM 585 Views
Oooh... Burr - 14/04/2011 04:31:30 AM 1116 Views
Who says..... Jeordam - 14/04/2011 04:26:31 PM 1171 Views
Wow, thanks for all the responses!! Antigone - 14/04/2011 03:42:38 AM 1180 Views
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