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it's moot at this point, but.... moondog Send a noteboard - 19/04/2011 05:31:29 AM
this is a state legislature passing a reasonable law because there are a lot of obvious reason to pass it. This is so not the big deal you're making it out to be, and you're just coming off hyperpartisan and opportunistic now. What is the big deal? The law harms no one, it makes a fair amount of sense, and it has no fundamental functional change around like the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact that's been signed by strictly blue states for strictly liberal base appeasement purposes.


yes, the bill is not as bad as written. i've already admitted that the letter of the law is not the problem. it's the fact that a fringe minority is getting their agenda pushed by the ones who actually write the laws. it reminds me more of the flag burning amendment that went around back in the 80s and 90s than many of the examples of your previous post. a method of protest which didn't really harm anyone and probably makes some level of sense to outlaw (to someone) doesn't need to be enshrined in the constitution. requiring papers to be provided for presidential (and other) candidates is directly an attempt to de-legitimize obama's presidency masked as some kind of common sense reaction to running for state and higher elected office.

and in response to the second part of your quote above, i find the electoral college to be a major obstacle to true democracy in this country actually. but bush v. gore proved that we have a severely flawed system for electing the president and i would support any method to reform what we have in order to maximize the effective vote for each person.

consider that if you live in a blue state and you vote red or vice versa, your vote is basically discarded when your candidate does not win. either doing away with the electoral college, or better yet, assigning an amount of electoral college votes to the candidates based on margin of victory (i.e. - 60% of vote gets 60% of electors) means that not only do voters get close to direct election of the president, but almost every state becomes a swing state except for the very smallest ones. it's about making the election of president a fair competition and not about how many more big states can one candidate win over another.
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WTF arizona? - 15/04/2011 04:28:19 PM 2128 Views
I think it's more payback than anything else, what exactly are you objecting to anyway? - 15/04/2011 04:46:17 PM 1036 Views
Yeah, I'm going "wait, they didn't have to do that yet?" here as well. - 15/04/2011 08:40:44 PM 932 Views
It is a bit of an oversight not to have that - 15/04/2011 09:41:40 PM 1119 Views
that's because they're morons. - 16/04/2011 03:36:54 AM 1066 Views
Re: that's because they're morons. - 16/04/2011 04:27:04 AM 895 Views
I wouldn't ACTUALLY hunt boars with a boar spear, but that's because I'm too little - 16/04/2011 04:44:14 AM 1100 Views
I think everyone's too little - 16/04/2011 02:20:29 PM 1069 Views
it's the spirit, not the letter, of the law that i have a problem with - 15/04/2011 10:19:27 PM 991 Views
Surprisingly, many politicians are mean-spirited - 16/04/2011 02:31:37 AM 992 Views
if any of those examples were legislated by a state house, you'd have a stronger argument.... - 16/04/2011 07:23:49 AM 942 Views
I believe I gave you state examples already - 16/04/2011 01:55:37 PM 865 Views
it's moot at this point, but.... - 19/04/2011 05:31:29 AM 957 Views
I can't believe this thread is still going... - 20/04/2011 12:58:52 AM 1032 Views
I call shenanigans on Seel - 15/04/2011 04:48:48 PM 998 Views
really becasue Obama has already produced enough documents to clear this bar - 17/04/2011 01:04:39 AM 971 Views
The article is wrong on one key point. Obama has not produced a birth certificate - 15/04/2011 04:50:21 PM 1089 Views
Yes he has. Don't act like a fool. - 15/04/2011 05:02:58 PM 1148 Views
sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool - 15/04/2011 06:04:19 PM 1084 Views
It's clear that he was born in the US. - 15/04/2011 06:54:28 PM 1049 Views
Care to point out where you believe I was defending them? - 15/04/2011 07:37:39 PM 1020 Views
Re: sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool - 15/04/2011 10:45:03 PM 894 Views
Why is it racist? - 17/04/2011 12:49:02 AM 923 Views
What exactly is the difference between certificates? - 16/04/2011 12:13:04 AM 1017 Views
One is the origianl document and one is a certificate created when it is requested. - 17/04/2011 12:44:27 AM 1034 Views
Then you need be be more clear because that is not what you said. - 17/04/2011 03:14:03 AM 1007 Views
OK I will try to be clearer - 18/04/2011 03:03:56 AM 948 Views
Why should he show it? - 16/04/2011 11:38:53 PM 964 Views
I personally have no problem with him not showing it - 17/04/2011 12:38:42 AM 1076 Views
Presumably you want his certificate of stillbirth as well? - 16/04/2011 12:59:22 PM 987 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* - 17/04/2011 12:50:55 AM 537 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* - 17/04/2011 12:50:56 AM 467 Views
Actually - 15/04/2011 06:12:41 PM 1051 Views
This - 15/04/2011 11:59:47 PM 914 Views
He already has - 16/04/2011 07:41:43 AM 1023 Views
Don't we already do this? - 15/04/2011 06:24:29 PM 982 Views
actually there isn't - 15/04/2011 07:43:47 PM 1051 Views
He did produce his Certificate of Live Birth and was approved to run for President. Case closed. - 16/04/2011 11:42:05 PM 1025 Views
do you have link for that? *NM* - 17/04/2011 01:17:51 AM 491 Views
In all fairness to the discussion I do not. - 19/04/2011 04:24:30 AM 1007 Views
It was a certificaTION of live birth and not a certificate - 19/04/2011 03:51:29 PM 1179 Views
Which is a form of birth certificate - 20/04/2011 08:45:41 AM 1069 Views
Meh, who cares? - 15/04/2011 07:31:22 PM 1045 Views
we're the 14 year old boy of the U.S. *NM* - 16/04/2011 03:37:51 AM 479 Views
What's the problem? Show your birth certficate, problem solved. *NM* - 16/04/2011 03:32:37 AM 491 Views
problem was solved awhile ago when he produced his birth certificate. what are you holding onto? *NM* - 16/04/2011 07:29:39 AM 496 Views
Perhaps he's responding to the actual post, and not talking about Obama this time? *NM* - 16/04/2011 12:56:50 PM 465 Views
As per the Constitution, Congress already verifies eligibility. Of each President. - 16/04/2011 03:36:06 PM 989 Views
Which is why I would think even if this law passes it will be tossed as it should. - 16/04/2011 11:44:50 PM 965 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 478 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 520 Views
as per you pulled that out of your ass - 17/04/2011 01:16:15 AM 971 Views
Actually it wasn't my ass, it was an anti-Obama political blogging site's ass. - 17/04/2011 03:56:35 AM 1022 Views
not only is no one in charge of making sure the president meets all the qualifications - 18/04/2011 02:51:16 AM 1020 Views
To make things even more fun in this thread... - 18/04/2011 03:50:43 AM 1019 Views
Re: To make things even more fun in this thread... - 19/04/2011 04:24:05 AM 904 Views
That wasn't the point - 21/04/2011 05:48:04 AM 963 Views
I am not a birther, but WTF makes you a nutjob for this? - 18/04/2011 08:40:15 AM 1215 Views
read above, he has. *NM* - 18/04/2011 02:47:25 PM 465 Views
Provided a birth certificate? - 18/04/2011 02:51:56 PM 1563 Views
Why is a Certification of Live Birth insufficient? - 18/04/2011 08:43:34 PM 1046 Views
No, actually - 19/04/2011 05:18:52 AM 1135 Views
Re: No, actually - 19/04/2011 05:19:51 AM 1117 Views
Since when is religion hereditary? - 19/04/2011 02:57:30 PM 1068 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? - 19/04/2011 03:10:27 PM 1075 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? - 19/04/2011 03:32:10 PM 1160 Views
I don't think it's as strong a claim as you make it out to be - 19/04/2011 03:39:01 PM 1285 Views
I think it is for some people. - 19/04/2011 03:55:45 PM 910 Views
how many previous presidents have had to prove their place of birth? - 19/04/2011 04:34:42 PM 981 Views
with how many has it been in doubt? *NM* - 19/04/2011 05:08:18 PM 497 Views
why doubt this one beyond all others? *NM* - 19/04/2011 06:45:24 PM 452 Views
Brewer vetoes the bill! - 19/04/2011 02:31:50 AM 1167 Views
yay, she's not as much of a nutjob as i once thought she was! - 19/04/2011 04:28:05 AM 1081 Views
yes she is, don't let her fool you *NM* - 19/04/2011 04:31:10 PM 439 Views
i didn't say she's not, just not as much as i thought before *NM* - 19/04/2011 04:37:34 PM 454 Views
good. maybe they will move on to more important things *NM* - 19/04/2011 02:41:34 PM 429 Views

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