this is a state legislature passing a reasonable law because there are a lot of obvious reason to pass it. This is so not the big deal you're making it out to be, and you're just coming off hyperpartisan and opportunistic now. What is the big deal? The law harms no one, it makes a fair amount of sense, and it has no fundamental functional change around like the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact that's been signed by strictly blue states for strictly liberal base appeasement purposes.
yes, the bill is not as bad as written. i've already admitted that the letter of the law is not the problem. it's the fact that a fringe minority is getting their agenda pushed by the ones who actually write the laws. it reminds me more of the flag burning amendment that went around back in the 80s and 90s than many of the examples of your previous post. a method of protest which didn't really harm anyone and probably makes some level of sense to outlaw (to someone) doesn't need to be enshrined in the constitution. requiring papers to be provided for presidential (and other) candidates is directly an attempt to de-legitimize obama's presidency masked as some kind of common sense reaction to running for state and higher elected office.
and in response to the second part of your quote above, i find the electoral college to be a major obstacle to true democracy in this country actually. but bush v. gore proved that we have a severely flawed system for electing the president and i would support any method to reform what we have in order to maximize the effective vote for each person.
consider that if you live in a blue state and you vote red or vice versa, your vote is basically discarded when your candidate does not win. either doing away with the electoral college, or better yet, assigning an amount of electoral college votes to the candidates based on margin of victory (i.e. - 60% of vote gets 60% of electors) means that not only do voters get close to direct election of the president, but almost every state becomes a swing state except for the very smallest ones. it's about making the election of president a fair competition and not about how many more big states can one candidate win over another.
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WTF arizona?
15/04/2011 04:28:19 PM
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I think it's more payback than anything else, what exactly are you objecting to anyway?
15/04/2011 04:46:17 PM
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Yeah, I'm going "wait, they didn't have to do that yet?" here as well.
15/04/2011 08:40:44 PM
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It is a bit of an oversight not to have that
15/04/2011 09:41:40 PM
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that's because they're morons.
16/04/2011 03:36:54 AM
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Re: that's because they're morons.
16/04/2011 04:27:04 AM
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I wouldn't ACTUALLY hunt boars with a boar spear, but that's because I'm too little
16/04/2011 04:44:14 AM
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it's the spirit, not the letter, of the law that i have a problem with
15/04/2011 10:19:27 PM
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Surprisingly, many politicians are mean-spirited
16/04/2011 02:31:37 AM
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if any of those examples were legislated by a state house, you'd have a stronger argument....
16/04/2011 07:23:49 AM
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I believe I gave you state examples already
16/04/2011 01:55:37 PM
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it's moot at this point, but....
19/04/2011 05:31:29 AM
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I call shenanigans on Seel
15/04/2011 04:48:48 PM
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really becasue Obama has already produced enough documents to clear this bar
17/04/2011 01:04:39 AM
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The article is wrong on one key point. Obama has not produced a birth certificate
15/04/2011 04:50:21 PM
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Yes he has. Don't act like a fool.
15/04/2011 05:02:58 PM
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sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool
15/04/2011 06:04:19 PM
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It's clear that he was born in the US.
15/04/2011 06:54:28 PM
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Care to point out where you believe I was defending them?
15/04/2011 07:37:39 PM
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You say that Obama hasn't produced a birth certificate, when he has.
15/04/2011 07:47:54 PM
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What exactly is the difference between certificates?
16/04/2011 12:13:04 AM
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One is the origianl document and one is a certificate created when it is requested.
17/04/2011 12:44:27 AM
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Then you need be be more clear because that is not what you said.
17/04/2011 03:14:03 AM
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Presumably you want his certificate of stillbirth as well?
16/04/2011 12:59:22 PM
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thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM*
17/04/2011 12:50:55 AM
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thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM*
17/04/2011 12:50:56 AM
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I wish the birthers would stop waste everyone's time and focus on actual policies of Obama's.
15/04/2011 04:59:01 PM
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Actually
15/04/2011 06:12:41 PM
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He already has
16/04/2011 07:41:43 AM
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I'm not referring to Obama. Just anyone who wants to be anyone in the future. *NM*
16/04/2011 02:01:25 PM
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Don't we already do this?
15/04/2011 06:24:29 PM
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He did produce his Certificate of Live Birth and was approved to run for President. Case closed.
16/04/2011 11:42:05 PM
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Re: I actually find the whole thing hilarious, and I hope it continues.
16/04/2011 01:33:34 AM
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What's the problem? Show your birth certficate, problem solved. *NM*
16/04/2011 03:32:37 AM
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problem was solved awhile ago when he produced his birth certificate. what are you holding onto? *NM*
16/04/2011 07:29:39 AM
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Perhaps he's responding to the actual post, and not talking about Obama this time? *NM*
16/04/2011 12:56:50 PM
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As per the Constitution, Congress already verifies eligibility. Of each President.
16/04/2011 03:36:06 PM
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Did you mean to reply to me or to the main post? *NM*
16/04/2011 03:44:38 PM
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You. Well, the trzaska subthread in general. Although it applies to the overall topic equally. *NM*
16/04/2011 03:53:38 PM
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Which is why I would think even if this law passes it will be tossed as it should.
16/04/2011 11:44:50 PM
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Supposedly the FEC only has jurisdiction over matters of campaign finance. *NM*
17/04/2011 03:24:39 AM
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as per you pulled that out of your ass
17/04/2011 01:16:15 AM
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Actually it wasn't my ass, it was an anti-Obama political blogging site's ass.
17/04/2011 03:56:35 AM
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not only is no one in charge of making sure the president meets all the qualifications
18/04/2011 02:51:16 AM
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To make things even more fun in this thread...
18/04/2011 03:50:43 AM
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I am not a birther, but WTF makes you a nutjob for this?
18/04/2011 08:40:15 AM
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read above, he has. *NM*
18/04/2011 02:47:25 PM
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Provided a birth certificate?
18/04/2011 02:51:56 PM
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Why is a Certification of Live Birth insufficient?
18/04/2011 08:43:34 PM
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because it's easier to push a non-issue than it is to work on something constructive i guess....
19/04/2011 04:27:31 AM
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No, actually
19/04/2011 05:18:52 AM
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Since when is religion hereditary?
19/04/2011 02:57:30 PM
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Re: Since when is religion hereditary?
19/04/2011 03:10:27 PM
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Re: Since when is religion hereditary?
19/04/2011 03:32:10 PM
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I don't think it's as strong a claim as you make it out to be
19/04/2011 03:39:01 PM
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how many previous presidents have had to prove their place of birth?
19/04/2011 04:34:42 PM
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with how many has it been in doubt? *NM*
19/04/2011 05:08:18 PM
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why doubt this one beyond all others? *NM*
19/04/2011 06:45:24 PM
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people always find some reason to doubt the legitimacy of a president they don't like
19/04/2011 09:01:33 PM
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Brewer vetoes the bill!
19/04/2011 02:31:50 AM
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yay, she's not as much of a nutjob as i once thought she was!
19/04/2011 04:28:05 AM
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yes she is, don't let her fool you *NM*
19/04/2011 04:31:10 PM
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i didn't say she's not, just not as much as i thought before *NM*
19/04/2011 04:37:34 PM
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