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torture was against our beliefs the first 225 years of our existence.... moondog Send a noteboard - 06/05/2011 04:16:19 PM
but you keep on trying to justify things that should automatically be against everything america stands for anyway :rolleyes:


Yeah... I'd say that you really need to take a long look in the mirror there moon...some of the things you say are SO hateful and hurtful to America it's amazing. But you live in cali and that's the norm .. so I almost forgive it.


i can see no reason to just give up what this nation was founded for, simply because it's expedient to do so.
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As per ABC News - waterboarding worked in the locating/killing OBL..... trzaska2000 - 02/05/2011 07:06:12 PM 910 Views
Many other violent methods would have worked as well, I'm sure. nossy - 02/05/2011 07:41:58 PM 641 Views
That's actually the big issue, in my view beetnemesis - 02/05/2011 07:48:06 PM 581 Views
I have always been 100% okay with "torturing" the 4 terrorists via waterboarding..... trzaska2000 - 02/05/2011 08:07:56 PM 601 Views
Yeah... but you think those 4 were the only ones? *NM* beetnemesis - 02/05/2011 08:11:48 PM 243 Views
I have no evidence/reason to think the government is lying about waterboarding. trzaska2000 - 02/05/2011 08:18:34 PM 566 Views
Are you able to ask that w/o any sarcasm? nossy - 02/05/2011 09:29:41 PM 586 Views
Er, yes? beetnemesis - 03/05/2011 01:10:37 AM 580 Views
Of course torture sometimes works. beetnemesis - 02/05/2011 07:45:01 PM 587 Views
Ends, means, yadda, yadda, yadda. *NM* Dannymac - 02/05/2011 08:09:13 PM 244 Views
Nah, they probably got that tidbit withholding their daily Doritos ration. TaskmasterJack - 02/05/2011 08:28:49 PM 609 Views
Unless you can provide an actual link, this is just speculation by commentators. *NM* Variant - 02/05/2011 09:48:55 PM 271 Views
I beleive if they hadn't torture them, we would've got the info much earlier Skeeve the Great - 02/05/2011 10:39:02 PM 896 Views
You have ifs and maybes, I have the facts and what happened. Waterboarding won this round. trzaska2000 - 03/05/2011 04:07:24 AM 603 Views
You can wish. Waterboarding did nothing to help. *NM* Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2011 07:36:40 AM 264 Views
Quotes about so-called "waterboarding help" Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2011 04:00:13 PM 597 Views
post your facts if you have them. so far you have offered nothing.... *NM* moondog - 03/05/2011 04:16:03 PM 258 Views
you believe it because a blogger said so or is it simply a matter of faith? random thoughts - 03/05/2011 05:26:53 PM 667 Views
Re: you believe it because a blogger said so or is it simply a matter of faith? Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2011 08:12:37 PM 756 Views
Leon Panette disagrees with you random thoughts - 06/05/2011 04:12:24 PM 692 Views
Epic. Dragonsoul - 02/05/2011 10:46:39 PM 631 Views
Well, according to Rumsfeld, waterboarding connection is bullshit. Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2011 01:07:58 AM 862 Views
Having a Pakistani government not in complicity with AQ would be better than waterboarding. *NM* Macharius - 03/05/2011 02:13:56 PM 246 Views
Any actual facts on this yet? snoopcester - 03/05/2011 04:04:38 PM 572 Views
it's as much of a link as the breakfast you had 6 years ago making you crash your car today moondog - 03/05/2011 04:18:29 PM 568 Views
Re: it's as much of a link as the breakfast you had 6 years ago making you crash your car today dart_board - 06/05/2011 12:43:26 PM 658 Views
torture was against our beliefs the first 225 years of our existence.... moondog - 06/05/2011 04:16:19 PM 541 Views
horseshit random thoughts - 06/05/2011 04:14:57 PM 558 Views
come on you know torture doesn't work. The experts said so *NM* random thoughts - 03/05/2011 05:13:12 PM 263 Views
Water boarding is not torture dart_board - 06/05/2011 12:41:06 PM 527 Views
Re: Water boarding is not torture Skeeve the Great - 06/05/2011 06:25:33 PM 593 Views
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