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It shouldn't be an either/or, a choice between retaining wotmaniacs or welcoming new members. Joel Send a noteboard - 10/05/2011 02:00:04 AM
To me it seems like the current awkward messageboard style is the biggest deterrent to new people joining. If RAFO wants to attract new members, sorry old fogies, but you're gonna have to change to a more accessible board style.

(For the record, I'm an old fogey too... used to be a wotmaniac back in the day, and didn't like this board style back then either.)

Which is probably why you can let users choose which display to use even within the phpBB construct. ;) Believe me, you're preaching to the choir when it comes to preferred format, but you won't convince 95% of the existing site (including most, probably all, of the Admins) to switch to the format you, me and MAYBE a dozen others prefer. If they wanted that they'd have done it instead of strenuously arguing against it every time the topic's been raised. As long as it's a choice between the format 95% prefer and the one 5% prefer, guess who always wins that argument. The former, as they should; it's even less fair for the minority to force an unwelcome format on the majority than vice versa. wotmaniacs don't HAVE to change, but attracting new members will mean accomodating them to some degree as well as offering interesting content, and since the desire for paged threads can be accomodated without denying anyone nesting (and vice versa) I see nothing to gain by refusing EITHER. Catering to one group to the exclusion of the other discourages that other, whichever it happens to be.

Attracting new members is a lot bigger than this issue, though it does include it. Despite looking I haven't seen a lot of new members posting, but I've mainly looked on the WoT and Community Boards because that's where I usually am (OTOH, Quick Polling indicates that's true for most, so maybe it IS representative). I doubt there are hard stats even on the Team Board, but know there aren't any elsewhere; the closest you'll find to THAT is the Quick Poll I linked in a post above, which you might not have seen because you have to open it to do so (sigh). The bottom line, however, is the same for new members as for all members: Improving the site means adding something beneficial and it's not a zero sum game, so we could add a paged thread option without removing nesting. Everyone wins, and no one loses (except probably Ben, who has to find a way to code it, but without learning a lot of programming I can't help him there).
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This message last edited by Joel on 10/05/2011 at 02:03:17 AM
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No. Just no. *NM* - 09/05/2011 08:02:16 PM 1213 Views
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Nice assumption - 09/05/2011 10:32:35 PM 1871 Views
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Human nature - 10/05/2011 11:21:05 AM 1982 Views
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I see it the opposite way - 10/05/2011 12:04:42 AM 2045 Views
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I agree. - 27/05/2011 01:37:50 PM 1842 Views
It shouldn't be an either/or, a choice between retaining wotmaniacs or welcoming new members. - 10/05/2011 02:00:04 AM 1869 Views
While I agree with everyone who hates BB boards... - 16/05/2011 06:26:04 AM 2087 Views
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Re: They're dumping the blue jerseys for home games. - 16/05/2011 09:22:44 PM 1987 Views
Re: They're dumping the blue jerseys for home games. - 18/05/2011 09:21:13 AM 1896 Views
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I can't throw, hit, or run - 21/05/2011 07:03:53 PM 1994 Views
I was sure I'd responded to this; sorry for the delay. - 22/07/2011 04:14:11 PM 1928 Views
I adore our set up. - 09/05/2011 11:05:34 PM 1935 Views
I feel a little less adoration =P - 10/05/2011 12:11:37 AM 2046 Views
see, and I think it enhances my appreciation of the posts. - 10/05/2011 12:15:21 AM 1789 Views
Explanation, please. - 10/05/2011 05:50:20 PM 1929 Views
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it's a bug, not a feature - 11/05/2011 06:45:29 PM 1958 Views
More than 3 reasons. - 12/05/2011 06:37:59 AM 1843 Views
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My filter is broken then. - 11/05/2011 09:02:07 AM 1871 Views
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My name is Tom and I approve these suggestions. - 10/05/2011 02:14:33 PM 1814 Views
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Stop being a brat! - 09/05/2011 09:57:35 PM 1987 Views
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aka Best admin ever. - 09/05/2011 10:28:40 PM 1812 Views
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"Oh. my. fucking. god." - 09/05/2011 10:29:17 PM 1969 Views
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Re: i agree - 10/05/2011 03:56:36 PM 1594 Views
Also - 10/05/2011 03:58:56 PM 1914 Views
collapsing of extended thread nests - 09/05/2011 11:09:23 PM 1846 Views
^This. *NM* - 12/05/2011 07:45:46 PM 1063 Views
Thirded *NM* - 27/05/2011 01:39:44 PM 991 Views
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PINK!! - 10/05/2011 03:27:35 AM 1855 Views
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Indeed. *NM* - 10/05/2011 03:53:23 PM 985 Views
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I agree. - 10/05/2011 11:10:03 PM 1958 Views
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You are clearly wrong. - 12/05/2011 04:58:34 PM 1707 Views
Its prime ended before the split? Bah, you old geezers always hassle us kids for livin' our life! - 12/05/2011 07:32:02 PM 1896 Views
Nah. - 16/05/2011 08:32:39 PM 1864 Views
Hard to imagine what that must've been like. - 18/05/2011 11:04:57 PM 1917 Views
Report post, moderation powers to all boards, spoiler tags, NM bug, bug submitter's name displayed. - 10/05/2011 05:59:58 PM 1697 Views
I disagree - 10/05/2011 10:34:54 PM 1918 Views
Re: your suggestions - 10/05/2011 11:03:00 PM 1750 Views
Re: your suggestions - 11/05/2011 01:37:34 AM 1926 Views
Re: your suggestions - 11/05/2011 08:24:38 AM 1704 Views
It's just that... - 11/05/2011 06:04:46 PM 1844 Views
Agreed on all points *NM* - 11/05/2011 05:54:52 PM 1048 Views
Whoa. You can change quote styles? News to me. *NM* - 11/05/2011 10:02:10 PM 1002 Views
It's all there, in the help section at the top of the board. - 12/05/2011 04:50:44 PM 1811 Views
Shush, you. *NM* - 13/05/2011 08:56:05 AM 1059 Views
The next time we meet up - 13/05/2011 09:19:01 AM 1841 Views
Anything would be better than nothing. - 13/05/2011 05:48:03 PM 1831 Views
Regarding the forum style - 10/05/2011 11:17:50 PM 2378 Views
+3 *NM* - 10/05/2011 11:35:10 PM 1037 Views
Look here! - 11/05/2011 01:25:25 AM 1840 Views
+100 *NM* - 11/05/2011 01:59:30 AM 962 Views
I think that sounds like an excellent middle ground! *NM* - 11/05/2011 04:22:12 AM 1022 Views
I agree with the agreement. - 11/05/2011 05:02:44 AM 5435 Views
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Just an observation/question about post-clicking - 11/05/2011 05:42:30 PM 1924 Views
Re: Just an observation/question about post-clicking - 11/05/2011 06:06:24 PM 1927 Views
Yes. Though it's not just laziness. - 11/05/2011 06:20:50 PM 1731 Views
It's more than laziness, yes. - 11/05/2011 07:53:52 PM 1889 Views
Try laying off the refresh button if you can help it. *NM* - 11/05/2011 08:52:56 PM 1086 Views
It's a high - 11/05/2011 10:28:02 PM 1688 Views
Sorry, internet keeps disconnecting when I hit "submit". - 11/05/2011 11:31:52 PM 1914 Views
I was mostly being a smart-ass about the laziness thing. - 12/05/2011 05:16:40 PM 1806 Views
Cool. - 12/05/2011 07:20:49 PM 1838 Views
I used to have to do that - 16/05/2011 08:26:47 AM 2501 Views
Yeah, that sounds familiar. - 16/05/2011 09:15:56 PM 1939 Views
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Also - 11/05/2011 04:36:17 AM 1880 Views
OoOoo... I like this. *NM* - 11/05/2011 06:25:20 AM 1040 Views
Re: Active Users: 51 - 14/06/2011 12:11:43 AM 1797 Views
I wonder if there is a way to make the Search function work... - 11/05/2011 09:56:54 AM 1744 Views
There is an easy fix for that. - 11/05/2011 06:09:10 PM 1900 Views
It's less about mistakes... - 12/05/2011 08:31:59 AM 1806 Views
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Yusssss!!1! *NM* - 12/05/2011 09:58:53 PM 1011 Views
An option to not have to see those damn smileys - 11/05/2011 02:24:47 PM 1899 Views
Another thing! - 11/05/2011 05:35:10 PM 1862 Views
For the Quickpolls - 11/05/2011 10:22:23 PM 1860 Views
Good idea. - 11/05/2011 11:30:41 PM 1879 Views
Writing page Writing page WRITING PAGE! *NM* - 12/05/2011 01:15:32 AM 1100 Views
Links in posts - can they not take us to a new page but to a new tab/window, please? - 12/05/2011 05:49:23 PM 1943 Views
Happens in Chrome and Firefox, too. *NM* - 12/05/2011 06:13:20 PM 1022 Views
It's not, but a simple right-click and select "Open in new tab" does the job in FF, at least. - 12/05/2011 10:40:27 PM 1894 Views
Clicking links with your scroll wheel opens them in a new tab. *NM* - 12/05/2011 11:32:29 PM 1067 Views
As does CTRL-click. *NM* - 13/05/2011 07:14:56 AM 1256 Views
I'd like to know when the last post in a thread was. - 13/05/2011 01:14:02 AM 1868 Views
Like back on wotmania? - 13/05/2011 09:02:33 AM 1840 Views
More references of MGB being the badass he is. *NM* - 13/05/2011 04:57:59 AM 1072 Views
some kind of "reply all" feature? - 13/05/2011 06:35:15 AM 1868 Views
Two things: facebook and searching within a post - 13/05/2011 03:07:37 PM 1847 Views
I agree. Not the facebook nonsense, but... - 13/05/2011 03:15:24 PM 1918 Views
+1, especially the FB part. - 13/05/2011 04:46:05 PM 1704 Views
I can add a comment for Facebook liking. - 13/05/2011 06:48:16 PM 2122 Views
Maybe it's another IE vs. Firefox thing. - 13/05/2011 08:52:53 PM 1993 Views
I use chrome - 13/05/2011 09:47:06 PM 1801 Views
Also, re: quickpoll - 15/05/2011 04:18:04 PM 1805 Views
and I'd love to be able to "like" it to facebook *NM* - 15/05/2011 04:55:46 PM 979 Views
Ick... you said the f-word. *NM* - 15/05/2011 08:23:16 PM 1008 Views
We have to. - 15/05/2011 08:37:01 PM 1867 Views
Make me an Admin! - 13/05/2011 04:17:59 PM 1894 Views
Of what, exactly? You have no discernible skills beside account corruption. *NM* - 13/05/2011 06:27:51 PM 1086 Views
I demand silence from the peanut gallery! *NM* - 15/05/2011 02:25:52 AM 993 Views
~silence granted, throws peanuts~ *NM* - 15/05/2011 07:39:50 PM 959 Views
OFF with your HEAD! *NM* - 16/05/2011 08:06:27 PM 972 Views
Since I don't think anyone else has mentioned it here - HTML - 15/05/2011 09:00:39 PM 1982 Views
Mapthis made something like this. - 15/05/2011 09:25:59 PM 1762 Views
He did. I'd forgotten that - 15/05/2011 09:27:39 PM 1849 Views
WYSIWYG! *NM* - 27/05/2011 02:25:49 PM 1067 Views
is inherently evil. *NM* - 27/05/2011 02:40:51 PM 947 Views
...and yet inherently accessible to the non-geek masses - 30/05/2011 02:34:58 AM 1873 Views
As I said... - 30/05/2011 08:55:32 AM 1828 Views
A redesigned home page! - 22/05/2011 04:26:27 AM 1858 Views
This isn't particularly helpful. - 30/05/2011 11:28:46 PM 1920 Views
I'm helpful - 04/07/2011 12:40:08 PM 1962 Views
Mobile version *NM* - 02/06/2011 12:42:25 AM 1082 Views
Make quote options more prominent - 13/06/2011 02:21:36 PM 1721 Views
The ability to block someone on a certain board? - 17/06/2011 06:48:41 PM 1828 Views
I would like notification when a premium account downgrades - 18/06/2011 10:42:56 AM 1921 Views
We've already got the Facebook "Like" button, however - 26/06/2011 12:06:51 AM 1858 Views
Unhh... Privacy statement? - 19/07/2011 06:14:49 PM 1766 Views
"Rules" would be a better place, IMHO; we're told at least one of those links should soon work. - 22/07/2011 04:08:54 PM 1765 Views
Thanks for the response / comment, Josh - 23/07/2011 08:59:02 AM 1726 Views
I assume it just means people are too busy working on the site to answer immediately. - 23/07/2011 02:06:48 PM 1771 Views
or at all? - 02/08/2011 12:44:15 PM 1893 Views
Hey, you're preaching to the choir on that one. - 02/08/2011 01:40:43 PM 2018 Views
Admins should be able to move Posts into an already existing thread - 20/07/2011 02:52:05 PM 1800 Views
+1. *NM* - 20/07/2011 03:29:57 PM 976 Views
the ability to empty your outbox - 30/07/2011 04:19:17 PM 1823 Views

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