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The point is that it's a symbol. Darth_Katie Send a noteboard - 11/06/2011 04:45:19 AM
It's a sacramental. Like Ghavrel said: an outward, physical sign of an inward grace. Blessed medals and oils are also sacramentals. They are tools used to remind oneself of the spiritual reality that they represent. Toilet water doesn't quite serve the same purpose ...
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A question on baptism Camilla - 10/06/2011 09:21:44 AM 988 Views
To my knowledge, baptism does not stem from the Resurrection. Ghavrel - 10/06/2011 11:01:17 AM 749 Views
What I meant Camilla - 10/06/2011 11:03:08 AM 580 Views
I don't follow. Ghavrel - 10/06/2011 11:08:07 AM 563 Views
Re: I don't follow. Camilla - 10/06/2011 11:10:40 AM 644 Views
I don't keep up with RC theology much. Ghavrel - 10/06/2011 11:15:52 AM 579 Views
Re: I don't keep up with RC theology much. Camilla - 10/06/2011 11:17:53 AM 541 Views
They should, IMHO, but the difficulty of definitively saying is why Limbo was created. Joel - 11/06/2011 10:39:26 AM 646 Views
Re: They should, IMHO, but the difficulty of definitively saying is why Limbo was created. Camilla - 11/06/2011 11:53:53 AM 566 Views
It's complicated? Joel - 11/06/2011 08:14:06 PM 614 Views
You haven't necessarily developed a wrong impression. Rebekah - 10/06/2011 11:50:53 AM 580 Views
Re: You haven't necessarily developed a wrong impression. Camilla - 10/06/2011 11:52:27 AM 515 Views
Re: You haven't necessarily developed a wrong impression. Rebekah - 10/06/2011 11:55:01 AM 580 Views
Re: You haven't necessarily developed a wrong impression. Camilla - 10/06/2011 11:58:36 AM 549 Views
Re: You haven't necessarily developed a wrong impression. Rebekah - 10/06/2011 12:16:46 PM 705 Views
Re: You haven't necessarily developed a wrong impression. Camilla - 10/06/2011 12:19:16 PM 546 Views
Re: You haven't necessarily developed a wrong impression. Rebekah - 10/06/2011 12:25:08 PM 769 Views
Re: You haven't necessarily developed a wrong impression. Camilla - 10/06/2011 12:26:30 PM 753 Views
Re: You haven't necessarily developed a wrong impression. Rebekah - 10/06/2011 12:28:45 PM 556 Views
Re: You haven't necessarily developed a wrong impression. Camilla - 10/06/2011 12:29:43 PM 579 Views
Re: You haven't necessarily developed a wrong impression. Rebekah - 10/06/2011 12:33:01 PM 446 Views
Re: You haven't necessarily developed a wrong impression. Camilla - 10/06/2011 12:34:36 PM 514 Views
Circumcision remains common among Christians mostly for symbolic reasons as well. Joel - 11/06/2011 10:48:48 AM 631 Views
Hm, I don't know. I don't think I know any non-Jews who are circumsized that see it as a symbol beetnemesis - 11/06/2011 04:44:02 PM 715 Views
I took a holy dip into the Ganges aerocontrols - 10/06/2011 11:48:26 AM 655 Views
Re: I took a holy dip into the Ganges Camilla - 10/06/2011 11:54:17 AM 703 Views
He dances and dips in The Ganges- Very Nice. *NM* StarrBecca - 11/06/2011 02:15:41 AM 243 Views
Three dips - that's the ceremony. aerocontrols - 11/06/2011 02:35:43 AM 505 Views
Early Christians and Jews were obsessed with purity Roland00 - 10/06/2011 12:56:58 PM 675 Views
Oh, I know about the historical/academic/anthropological reason Camilla - 10/06/2011 01:04:43 PM 623 Views
I misunderstood, lets try again Roland00 - 10/06/2011 01:44:43 PM 708 Views
Huh. *NM* Camilla - 10/06/2011 02:06:58 PM 287 Views
A first responce Bramhodoulos - 10/06/2011 02:09:32 PM 752 Views
Re: A first responce Camilla - 10/06/2011 02:15:07 PM 736 Views
Re: A first responce Bramhodoulos - 10/06/2011 02:19:25 PM 644 Views
Do you want a theological answer or a historical one? Tom - 10/06/2011 03:16:44 PM 731 Views
The theological. I already had a fairly good idea of the historical Camilla - 10/06/2011 03:18:51 PM 585 Views
My favorite fact about baptism is that is REQUIRES water... but it can be ANY water beetnemesis - 10/06/2011 04:31:12 PM 673 Views
That is absurd. Tom - 10/06/2011 08:37:13 PM 764 Views
It is absurd beetnemesis - 10/06/2011 08:56:19 PM 590 Views
When your post is eviscerated, resorting to "HURR RELIGION IS DUMB" isn't a winning move. Ghavrel - 10/06/2011 10:00:39 PM 697 Views
Psh.You can dress it up with spiritualism and semantics, but the concept boils down to "magic water" beetnemesis - 11/06/2011 03:56:03 AM 550 Views
The point is that it's a symbol. Darth_Katie - 11/06/2011 04:45:19 AM 558 Views
I have no problem with water as a symbol beetnemesis - 11/06/2011 04:59:52 AM 632 Views
You are totally missing the point. Darth_Katie - 11/06/2011 02:46:08 PM 712 Views
Which again, is something that sounds nice and spiritual, but doesn't actually make any sense beetnemesis - 11/06/2011 03:46:51 PM 691 Views
your problem is you're trying to apply objective logic to religion LadyLorraine - 11/06/2011 04:13:01 PM 943 Views
I'm not, exactly. Religion has internal logic. For example, certain things are "unclean" beetnemesis - 11/06/2011 04:40:33 PM 576 Views
Beliefs about holy water are internally logical. Darth_Katie - 11/06/2011 07:36:08 PM 628 Views
Shrug. It was on topic. beetnemesis - 11/06/2011 08:06:16 PM 894 Views
The more I read of your posts, the more I think you fundamentally misunderstand religious symbolism. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/06/2011 10:51:17 PM 246 Views
Let me clarify: your statements are absurd. Tom - 10/06/2011 10:14:06 PM 593 Views
Check my response to Ghav for elaboration, but basically, your argument doesn't hold beetnemesis - 11/06/2011 04:00:18 AM 579 Views
You went from saying spit was good to saying "clean water". Tom - 12/06/2011 02:04:26 AM 513 Views
I'm completely consistent. I was just staying away from extremes for conversation's sake. beetnemesis - 12/06/2011 09:02:02 AM 557 Views
No one from a respectable faith thinks of holy water as "magic water". Period. *NM* Tom - 13/06/2011 04:56:53 AM 244 Views
Yes, I KNOW. But it's still TREATED as such. beetnemesis - 13/06/2011 06:28:10 AM 502 Views
Baptism is almost, if not entirely, symbolic. Joel - 11/06/2011 10:23:02 AM 759 Views
Re: Baptism is almost, if not entirely, symbolic. Camilla - 11/06/2011 11:51:22 AM 750 Views
All I know, Is a Lutheran Pastor told me, b/c i was not baptised I was going to hell, and had *NM* StarrBecca - 11/06/2011 03:44:38 PM 223 Views
I never thought of it in that way, that is why I like this site *NM* Nolan - 12/06/2011 04:26:40 PM 264 Views
Because we are all nuts in our own special ways? *NM* Camilla - 12/06/2011 04:36:03 PM 232 Views
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