Well yes, after I gave you the report, I think I'm pretty obviously refering to before that 
Isaac Send a noteboard - 06/08/2011 11:02:17 PM
Isaac Send a noteboard - 06/08/2011 11:02:17 PM
And thanks for the link; I was VERY interested in what the full report said, but didn't think it would be easy to get.
De Nada, I generally prefer to see this stuff right out of the horse's mouth before reading anyone's interpretation, I forget that 'go direct to S&P' and similar is really really obvious only if you already know to think of it, so sorry if that came out a tad snarky, I thought you were deliberately not doing it as opposed to just not knowing it was a relatively short and non-technical doc freely available on the web. And I should have posted the link, was going to but it looked like one that wasn't static and it was tl;dr for in a message.
I don't think Bob and John being argumentative is necessarily a good thing; it's only a good thing if you thing ineffective deeply conflicted government good, which is very debatable at the moment. On the other hand, I'm not sure at this point if John and Barack are necessarily all that argumentative or if appearing that way just makes it easier for them to push policies they both support despite the American publics strong opposition. As far as general partisanship goes, even if I am just being as argumentative and factually challenged as trzaska, which one of us are you chiding for it in a thread he started? If there's one thing liberals should've learned from the debt ceiling negotiations and their fallout, it's that you just get run over if you try to remain above the fray.
As I said, I don't think Trzaska drew a proper conclusion either. I do think Obama deserves some blame, but specifically for essentially engineering this situation by not tackling it earlier and getting a budget passed before the 2010 elections when he had the votes to have gotten his option but would've suffered at the polls for it. I won't beat up on him for it though because I'm glad he didn't do it. His stance though, on the budget, while I totally disagree with it [for the record I am actually okay with raising taxes under certain circumstances though] is not responsible for the downgrade, except insofar as his stance was different then the GOP's. I'm not going to blame someone for disagreeing with me and playing hardball for their beliefs, Trzaska shouldn't, and neither should you or snoop. The downgrade is the result of opposing ideologies itself, not the validity or rightness of either. Long term, I would point a finger at the Dems, as I view entitlements extended without revenues for them to be their fault... those as you know I mostly blame self-centered worthless moderates for it since the scumbags will cheerfully vote for more benefits and lower taxes as opposed to the sane views of the left and right, more taxes and more benefits vs less taxes and less benefits.
Chiding Trzaska though, while it might be somewhat appropriate right here, as it is his thread, wouldn't vindicate you, you've started about half-a-dozen or more threads just as argumentative and generally ad hominem on the board recently. I believe you've both already been called out on it by multiple other posters and I'm guessing I'm not the only one who thinks you two have some sort of contest going on to see who can convert the most people to the other side of the political aisle
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
US Credit Rate Downgraded - Obama should resign.....
- 06/08/2011 04:12:48 AM
1410 Views
you, it was the tea party republicans that caused this
- 06/08/2011 05:57:16 AM
953 Views
- 06/08/2011 04:12:48 AM
1410 Views
Que tonterías.
- 06/08/2011 04:23:49 AM
945 Views
Really?
- 06/08/2011 05:05:48 AM
997 Views
Leaders have to lead.....
- 06/08/2011 05:18:21 AM
817 Views
Cuts aren't up to him, though.
- 06/08/2011 05:37:50 AM
860 Views
Yeah, sure, the President has no say or control.....good grief.....
*NM*
- 06/08/2011 06:13:49 AM
478 Views
*NM*
- 06/08/2011 06:13:49 AM
478 Views
S&P didn't demand cuts, they demanded fiscal responsibility.
- 06/08/2011 03:18:10 PM
1099 Views
and haters gotta hate..... *NM*
- 06/08/2011 05:49:25 AM
455 Views
I admit it, I hate what Obama is doing to our country..... *NM*
- 06/08/2011 06:12:39 AM
470 Views
you, it was the tea party republicans that caused this
- 06/08/2011 05:57:16 AM
953 Views
As ever your disinterest in facts seems to be central to your posting.
- 06/08/2011 11:34:20 AM
919 Views
Which would be less annoying if so much of Congress didn't suffer from the same delusions.
- 06/08/2011 03:48:04 PM
808 Views
Does Timmy G play sax like his brother Kenny? *NM*
- 06/08/2011 01:11:17 PM
453 Views
Fun fact - I dated in HS Kenny G's niece.....
- 06/08/2011 03:13:52 PM
812 Views
S&P specifically cited GOP refusal to raise taxes among their reasons.
- 06/08/2011 03:10:22 PM
983 Views
Of course one could just read the actual S&P report
- 06/08/2011 04:01:07 PM
981 Views
Sure.
- 06/08/2011 04:53:47 PM
992 Views
Right, ABC new's summary of the report is not the report
- 06/08/2011 07:02:46 PM
1294 Views
Link works, but I'm not sure why you think it refutes snoops assessment or mine.
- 06/08/2011 08:35:10 PM
1086 Views
It doesn't refute it, it just isn't this simple distillation you're offering
- 06/08/2011 09:23:33 PM
904 Views
It's more than half a sentence; I quoted several paragraphs.
- 06/08/2011 09:56:31 PM
790 Views
Well yes, after I gave you the report, I think I'm pretty obviously refering to before that
- 06/08/2011 11:02:17 PM
811 Views
- 06/08/2011 11:02:17 PM
811 Views
Before that I was referring to the paragraphs quoted in the ABC report.
- 07/08/2011 01:21:18 AM
1225 Views
not really
- 06/08/2011 10:15:32 PM
857 Views
"the mix of spending and revenue measures"
- 06/08/2011 10:23:06 PM
934 Views
So you read the statement that they take no posistion as they take the dem position?
- 07/08/2011 04:51:58 AM
936 Views
I read a "mix" to be a mix.
- 09/08/2011 12:14:35 AM
849 Views
So in other words you just ignore the actaull words and read it say what you want it to say *NM*
- 09/08/2011 02:07:57 PM
522 Views
A mix of something and nothing is impossible; one thing is one thing, not a mix.
- 09/08/2011 04:56:00 PM
1035 Views
US politicians are too busy fighting over who gets to play the fiddle. *NM*
- 06/08/2011 05:53:32 PM
471 Views
You are either really naive or just stupid. Which is it? *NM*
would him resigning really help?
- 07/08/2011 10:24:00 AM
894 Views
not as long as he has the high functioning moron Joe Biden as VP.
- 08/08/2011 12:34:32 AM
896 Views
In reality, its Congress (BOTH parties) AND the President who are to blame.
- 08/08/2011 01:59:13 AM
915 Views
40% is not a small tax increase and a small spending cut
- 09/08/2011 04:20:28 AM
792 Views
Why are people making a deal about the debt ceiling increase?
- 09/08/2011 03:42:13 PM
824 Views
Because, when you get down to it, the debt ceilings very existence was always a political threat.
- 09/08/2011 05:02:12 PM
794 Views