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Well yes, after I gave you the report, I think I'm pretty obviously refering to before that Isaac Send a noteboard - 06/08/2011 11:02:17 PM
And thanks for the link; I was VERY interested in what the full report said, but didn't think it would be easy to get.


De Nada, I generally prefer to see this stuff right out of the horse's mouth before reading anyone's interpretation, I forget that 'go direct to S&P' and similar is really really obvious only if you already know to think of it, so sorry if that came out a tad snarky, I thought you were deliberately not doing it as opposed to just not knowing it was a relatively short and non-technical doc freely available on the web. And I should have posted the link, was going to but it looked like one that wasn't static and it was tl;dr for in a message.

I don't think Bob and John being argumentative is necessarily a good thing; it's only a good thing if you thing ineffective deeply conflicted government good, which is very debatable at the moment. On the other hand, I'm not sure at this point if John and Barack are necessarily all that argumentative or if appearing that way just makes it easier for them to push policies they both support despite the American publics strong opposition. As far as general partisanship goes, even if I am just being as argumentative and factually challenged as trzaska, which one of us are you chiding for it in a thread he started? If there's one thing liberals should've learned from the debt ceiling negotiations and their fallout, it's that you just get run over if you try to remain above the fray.


As I said, I don't think Trzaska drew a proper conclusion either. I do think Obama deserves some blame, but specifically for essentially engineering this situation by not tackling it earlier and getting a budget passed before the 2010 elections when he had the votes to have gotten his option but would've suffered at the polls for it. I won't beat up on him for it though because I'm glad he didn't do it. His stance though, on the budget, while I totally disagree with it [for the record I am actually okay with raising taxes under certain circumstances though] is not responsible for the downgrade, except insofar as his stance was different then the GOP's. I'm not going to blame someone for disagreeing with me and playing hardball for their beliefs, Trzaska shouldn't, and neither should you or snoop. The downgrade is the result of opposing ideologies itself, not the validity or rightness of either. Long term, I would point a finger at the Dems, as I view entitlements extended without revenues for them to be their fault... those as you know I mostly blame self-centered worthless moderates for it since the scumbags will cheerfully vote for more benefits and lower taxes as opposed to the sane views of the left and right, more taxes and more benefits vs less taxes and less benefits.

Chiding Trzaska though, while it might be somewhat appropriate right here, as it is his thread, wouldn't vindicate you, you've started about half-a-dozen or more threads just as argumentative and generally ad hominem on the board recently. I believe you've both already been called out on it by multiple other posters and I'm guessing I'm not the only one who thinks you two have some sort of contest going on to see who can convert the most people to the other side of the political aisle :P
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US Credit Rate Downgraded - Obama should resign..... trzaska2000 - 06/08/2011 04:12:48 AM 1449 Views
Que tonterías. Larry - 06/08/2011 04:23:49 AM 984 Views
How... foolish? Ghavrel - 06/08/2011 05:13:30 AM 1005 Views
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I took it to translate to "argument." *NM* rebelaessedai - 08/08/2011 01:27:55 AM 491 Views
A mí me parece que él no merece que le digas "usted", tampoco. Legolas - 06/08/2011 11:03:22 AM 796 Views
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Really? Amelia Pond - 06/08/2011 05:05:48 AM 1032 Views
Leaders have to lead..... trzaska2000 - 06/08/2011 05:18:21 AM 864 Views
Cuts aren't up to him, though. Great Lord of Chaos - 06/08/2011 05:37:50 AM 899 Views
Yeah, sure, the President has no say or control.....good grief..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 06/08/2011 06:13:49 AM 495 Views
I did not say that. Great Lord of Chaos - 06/08/2011 06:51:35 AM 975 Views
S&P didn't demand cuts, they demanded fiscal responsibility. Joel - 06/08/2011 03:18:10 PM 1136 Views
Obama caved spectacularly to avoid a default. Great Lord of Chaos - 06/08/2011 04:37:21 PM 957 Views
Obama caved spectacularly to ease re-election. Joel - 06/08/2011 05:34:04 PM 1136 Views
and haters gotta hate..... *NM* Aisha - 06/08/2011 05:49:25 AM 472 Views
I admit it, I hate what Obama is doing to our country..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 06/08/2011 06:12:39 AM 489 Views
It's not Obama, but the Tea Party Amelia Pond - 06/08/2011 06:16:38 PM 988 Views
The biggest? why that is pretty damn big!!! random thoughts - 09/08/2011 06:29:24 PM 916 Views
you, it was the tea party republicans that caused this Roland00 - 06/08/2011 05:57:16 AM 993 Views
Your momma is more to blame than the Tea Party..... trzaska2000 - 06/08/2011 06:12:05 AM 870 Views
S&P demanded more DEFICIT REDUCTION. Joel - 06/08/2011 03:55:19 PM 1014 Views
As ever your disinterest in facts seems to be central to your posting. snoopcester - 06/08/2011 11:34:20 AM 958 Views
Which would be less annoying if so much of Congress didn't suffer from the same delusions. Joel - 06/08/2011 03:48:04 PM 857 Views
Does Timmy G play sax like his brother Kenny? *NM* TaskmasterJack - 06/08/2011 01:11:17 PM 476 Views
Fun fact - I dated in HS Kenny G's niece..... trzaska2000 - 06/08/2011 03:13:52 PM 854 Views
Re: Fun fact - I dated in HS Kenny G's niece..... TaskmasterJack - 06/08/2011 04:50:35 PM 949 Views
Sadly, not that niece!!! *NM* trzaska2000 - 06/08/2011 06:40:39 PM 483 Views
S&P specifically cited GOP refusal to raise taxes among their reasons. Joel - 06/08/2011 03:10:22 PM 1028 Views
Of course one could just read the actual S&P report Isaac - 06/08/2011 04:01:07 PM 1021 Views
Sure. Joel - 06/08/2011 04:53:47 PM 1050 Views
Right, ABC new's summary of the report is not the report Isaac - 06/08/2011 07:02:46 PM 1338 Views
Link works, but I'm not sure why you think it refutes snoops assessment or mine. Joel - 06/08/2011 08:35:10 PM 1140 Views
It doesn't refute it, it just isn't this simple distillation you're offering Isaac - 06/08/2011 09:23:33 PM 947 Views
It's more than half a sentence; I quoted several paragraphs. Joel - 06/08/2011 09:56:31 PM 833 Views
Well yes, after I gave you the report, I think I'm pretty obviously refering to before that Isaac - 06/08/2011 11:02:17 PM 852 Views
Before you and Joel continue on with dragging my name into this snoopcester - 06/08/2011 11:47:00 PM 955 Views
That's the trouble with a highly partisan environment: Joel - 07/08/2011 01:37:57 AM 975 Views
Before that I was referring to the paragraphs quoted in the ABC report. Joel - 07/08/2011 01:21:18 AM 1269 Views
not really random thoughts - 06/08/2011 10:15:32 PM 899 Views
"the mix of spending and revenue measures" Joel - 06/08/2011 10:23:06 PM 978 Views
So you read the statement that they take no posistion as they take the dem position? random thoughts - 07/08/2011 04:51:58 AM 981 Views
I read a "mix" to be a mix. Joel - 09/08/2011 12:14:35 AM 891 Views
So in other words you just ignore the actaull words and read it say what you want it to say *NM* random thoughts - 09/08/2011 02:07:57 PM 540 Views
A mix of something and nothing is impossible; one thing is one thing, not a mix. Joel - 09/08/2011 04:56:00 PM 1075 Views
Would 99.99% to 0.01% be a mix? random thoughts - 09/08/2011 06:25:08 PM 1157 Views
Yup, but 100% to 0% is not. Joel - 09/08/2011 06:35:13 PM 979 Views
They should all resign Praziquantel - 06/08/2011 05:47:56 PM 1015 Views
US politicians are too busy fighting over who gets to play the fiddle. *NM* Nate - 06/08/2011 05:53:32 PM 490 Views
You are either really naive or just stupid. Which is it? *NM* everynametaken - 06/08/2011 06:31:58 PM 463 Views
Reply to everyone whining about the Tea Party..... trzaska2000 - 06/08/2011 06:58:40 PM 1041 Views
When did Boehner agree to $800 billion in revenue increases?! Joel - 06/08/2011 08:49:51 PM 987 Views
Wait Wait Wait.... Dominic - 07/08/2011 05:31:20 AM 1037 Views
In Jersey The Doctor - 07/08/2011 06:13:23 PM 1096 Views
would him resigning really help? Yunalesca - 07/08/2011 10:24:00 AM 925 Views
not as long as he has the high functioning moron Joe Biden as VP. random thoughts - 08/08/2011 12:34:32 AM 935 Views
In reality, its Congress (BOTH parties) AND the President who are to blame. MrFarstrider - 08/08/2011 01:59:13 AM 960 Views
40% is not a small tax increase and a small spending cut Roland00 - 09/08/2011 04:20:28 AM 832 Views
Why are people making a deal about the debt ceiling increase? Nate - 09/08/2011 03:42:13 PM 865 Views
We do have a debt ceiling for a reason random thoughts - 09/08/2011 04:05:59 PM 887 Views
Because, when you get down to it, the debt ceilings very existence was always a political threat. Joel - 09/08/2011 05:02:12 PM 838 Views
Ultimately, I'm forced to agree completely. Joel - 09/08/2011 05:09:19 PM 915 Views
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