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Seems it isn't exactly but I'm not sure your reply is 100% true either snoopcester Send a noteboard - 09/08/2011 07:27:00 PM
The police have said there is no evidence he fired, however they have also said there is no evidence he didn't fire. Ballistic tests on the gun are ongoing. They have said the police fired twice, one to the heart, one hitting a bicep and a ricochet from one of these two hit a police radio.


I did just see a headline saying he didn't fire at officers in quotations so assumed it was directly taken from the IPCC report.
Even reading the Daily Mail article on it seems like at this point they can't 100% rule out that he fired a shot but very probably didn't, not least as they are investigating the bulleted cartridge that was in the chamber.

Also, I heard the rumours about the sock yesterday, and I'd forgotten that a gun in a sock isn't threatening, the powers of a sock to stop a bullet are after all well documented. I don't know why our soldiers run around in kevlar body armour, they should just cover themselves in odd socks. :P


It would be even harder to fire a gun in a concrete block ;)

To be honest i'm not fussed if he shot or didn't, nor if the gun was out or not. The guy had a gun, the gun was loaded and a bullet was ready to be fired, it's his fault he got shot.


So while being pedantic, has it been confirmed the gun was his? I'm just asking since you are so keen to point out that the IPCC report does cover the chance that he did fire it... and since all the references to the gun in the media describe it as having been found at the scene, not belonging to him, it would seem logical to apply the same doubt to that?
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London snoopcester - 08/08/2011 12:08:35 PM 2055 Views
i freaked out when i heard about that Yunalesca - 08/08/2011 02:09:10 PM 1291 Views
Re: i freaked out when i heard about that snoopcester - 08/08/2011 02:47:16 PM 1134 Views
It's pretty scary. Rebekah - 08/08/2011 02:19:51 PM 1157 Views
I found it somewhat last night, having a sister who lives in Brixton snoopcester - 08/08/2011 02:50:57 PM 1172 Views
I'm sure the media will manage to blame the police somehow Wibble - 08/08/2011 03:11:40 PM 1075 Views
I've been following the story. Spriteling - 08/08/2011 03:26:51 PM 1119 Views
I cannot quite make out what is going on Camilla - 08/08/2011 03:27:57 PM 1278 Views
No, that's about it as far as we know Wibble - 08/08/2011 03:40:15 PM 1308 Views
Re: I cannot quite make out what is going on snoopcester - 08/08/2011 03:40:21 PM 1180 Views
Continue to use live ammunition until no one is protesting. *NM* Tom - 08/08/2011 03:53:50 PM 635 Views
Sounds good to me *NM* Wibble - 08/08/2011 04:06:04 PM 624 Views
Okay, bored of these riots now, time for the police to follow 10CCs example... Wibble - 08/08/2011 09:28:36 PM 1216 Views
Given what has been reported snoopcester - 08/08/2011 04:07:13 PM 1240 Views
So, did the original suspect have a gun/fire bullets? beetnemesis - 09/08/2011 04:19:16 PM 1219 Views
Had a gun, didn't fire snoopcester - 09/08/2011 06:51:54 PM 1148 Views
Not actually true Wibble - 09/08/2011 07:01:33 PM 1120 Views
Seems it isn't exactly but I'm not sure your reply is 100% true either snoopcester - 09/08/2011 07:27:00 PM 1218 Views
Now that's a good point Wibble - 09/08/2011 07:45:26 PM 1192 Views
I think with both they're putting disclaimers in snoopcester - 09/08/2011 08:56:17 PM 1219 Views
There's no evidence he didn't fire? Imagine that. Joel - 09/08/2011 11:22:05 PM 1125 Views
He's saying the evidence available is inconclusive either way. Rebekah - 09/08/2011 11:37:06 PM 1202 Views
Fair enough. Joel - 09/08/2011 11:56:16 PM 1247 Views
There are various proofs snoopcester - 10/08/2011 12:06:41 AM 1146 Views
True, but if tests are inconclusive rather than merely incomplete those proofs may not be available. Joel - 10/08/2011 12:47:34 AM 1170 Views
Bullshit Wibble - 10/08/2011 01:12:46 AM 1029 Views
If that's the case it's hard to say they overreacted. Joel - 10/08/2011 01:22:45 AM 1034 Views
I do see why it matters if he fired or not random thoughts - 10/08/2011 12:46:12 AM 1088 Views
Again, I don't know the British standard, so I can only guess how it works. Joel - 10/08/2011 12:54:20 AM 1177 Views
Though if he had a gun, in a sock, not drawn... beetnemesis - 10/08/2011 01:50:05 AM 1136 Views
sadly the rioters didn't wait for facts random thoughts - 10/08/2011 02:56:46 AM 1288 Views
They've announced that the "unknown" gun was never fired beetnemesis - 10/08/2011 02:04:26 PM 1126 Views
So? Are the police supposed to let him get the first shot? *NM* random thoughts - 10/08/2011 03:15:59 PM 639 Views
...said Gaddafi. *NM* Tim - 10/08/2011 12:11:31 AM 614 Views
And?... *NM* Wibble - 10/08/2011 12:17:51 AM 593 Views
And we just went to war with him because he was shooting people in the street. Tim - 10/08/2011 09:56:07 AM 1167 Views
Last time I checked, you guys have a vote. First past the post, sure, but it's still a vote. Tom - 10/08/2011 04:33:07 AM 1109 Views
Is there any other country that has a death penalty for children caught stealing? *NM* Tim - 10/08/2011 10:02:56 AM 638 Views
Maybe not, but we can hope there is... *NM* Tom - 10/08/2011 02:04:38 PM 576 Views
You can hope there is. Tim - 10/08/2011 02:21:17 PM 1125 Views
...you guys need a poster named Tam, and a sitcom, stat. *NM* beetnemesis - 10/08/2011 05:11:57 PM 628 Views
+1 Yunalesca - 10/08/2011 05:17:22 PM 1139 Views
Wibble is called Tam (Scots) or Tom (English), and used to go by dragon_tam. Tim - 10/08/2011 05:27:16 PM 1238 Views
LMAO *NM* Aisha - 10/08/2011 06:22:11 PM 638 Views
If you want to talk statistics... Tom - 13/08/2011 08:26:39 PM 1085 Views
So the death penalty is a deterrent for the crimes it doesn't apply to, but not for those it does? Tim - 14/08/2011 10:58:14 AM 1272 Views
No, that wasn't my point. Tom - 14/08/2011 09:39:14 PM 1248 Views
light yagami felt the same way Yunalesca - 14/08/2011 01:20:02 PM 1281 Views
Please speak English. *NM* Tom - 14/08/2011 09:39:46 PM 621 Views
They think they have a good reason for what they're doing snoopcester - 10/08/2011 11:48:52 AM 1076 Views
If they react even more indignantly to a harsh crackdown, maybe they do. Tom - 10/08/2011 02:06:04 PM 1007 Views
Oh? snoopcester - 10/08/2011 04:05:55 PM 1198 Views
This is the first I've heard of it; here's hoping and praying the damage is restricted to property Joel - 08/08/2011 06:59:06 PM 1203 Views
I am sure dart_board - 09/08/2011 06:34:40 PM 1174 Views
I don't recall mentioning any of those groups in connection with this. Joel - 09/08/2011 07:29:01 PM 1093 Views
You will. *NM* dart_board - 10/08/2011 12:14:22 AM 601 Views
I've had plenty of opportunites and still didn't, even when rt practically teed one up for me. Joel - 10/08/2011 12:25:09 AM 1141 Views
This is utterly awful. Rebekah - 08/08/2011 09:41:46 PM 1241 Views
Yeah - it has massively spread today. Just saw footage of youths looting a Sainburys in Birmingham snoopcester - 08/08/2011 09:52:32 PM 1162 Views
And if they had got the army out Wibble - 08/08/2011 09:57:40 PM 1142 Views
That's true. Rebekah - 08/08/2011 10:03:03 PM 1123 Views
pfft Yunalesca - 08/08/2011 10:23:37 PM 1091 Views
I think the vast majority of people would be just fine with it snoopcester - 08/08/2011 10:08:34 PM 1289 Views
They call it "martial law" for a reason. Joel - 09/08/2011 02:30:40 AM 1136 Views
Might work in the US snoopcester - 09/08/2011 02:13:50 PM 1167 Views
When most of the looters are kids I can see how that would be problematic. Joel - 09/08/2011 05:18:09 PM 1148 Views
Joel I don't believe any looters were shot in the Rodney King riots random thoughts - 09/08/2011 05:41:44 PM 1133 Views
Police were, from what I understand, hard to find during those riots. Joel - 09/08/2011 05:51:11 PM 1127 Views
I am just questioning the logic of the debate taking place here random thoughts - 09/08/2011 06:33:11 PM 1094 Views
Your notoriously faulty memory is by far the lesser problem here. Joel - 09/08/2011 07:14:07 PM 1385 Views
That article supports my argument random thoughts - 09/08/2011 08:55:15 PM 1052 Views
OK I blame the site for this random double post. I hit submit once. random thoughts - 09/08/2011 08:55:17 PM 1090 Views
I can't really argue with anything you've said here, so I won't try. Joel - 09/08/2011 11:11:17 PM 1240 Views
so now you are comparing the rioters to the Tea Party? I guess dartboard was almost right random thoughts - 10/08/2011 12:51:46 AM 1228 Views
I'm comparing alienation to alienation and noting that it's pervasive. Joel - 10/08/2011 01:19:49 AM 1221 Views
and I am saying you have no idea who the tea party is random thoughts - 10/08/2011 03:06:15 AM 1112 Views
I guess I should've used the Progressive Caucus instead. Joel - 10/08/2011 04:25:30 PM 1181 Views
Seriously, is it mostly kids? nossy - 08/08/2011 10:08:00 PM 1072 Views
They don't have parents Wibble - 08/08/2011 10:10:07 PM 1281 Views
A hell of a lot seem to be snoopcester - 08/08/2011 10:12:21 PM 1147 Views
I'd be tempted to go down there with a cattle prod. nossy - 08/08/2011 10:14:14 PM 1209 Views
I think there might be too many of them snoopcester - 08/08/2011 10:23:05 PM 1129 Views
If that link still isn't working, try here snoopcester - 08/08/2011 10:29:19 PM 1091 Views
I know that if I had ever participated in anything like that, my mother would have kicked my ass. Avendesora - 09/08/2011 08:48:09 PM 1252 Views
its getting absolutely mental Yunalesca - 08/08/2011 10:21:32 PM 1120 Views
Congratulations Ken Livingstone Wibble - 08/08/2011 11:44:29 PM 1153 Views
Agree on the first part snoopcester - 09/08/2011 01:05:01 PM 1159 Views
Um... This is the first I've read / heard about it Two Wongs - 09/08/2011 03:43:02 AM 1084 Views
Looks a bit like a post-apocalyptic sci-fi movie Sports_Gambler - 09/08/2011 06:38:59 AM 1180 Views
Apparently that's a surprisingly common error. Joel - 09/08/2011 12:34:30 PM 1187 Views
Horrible Mark - 09/08/2011 11:18:21 AM 1045 Views
Yes snoopcester - 09/08/2011 12:55:00 PM 1227 Views
Tumblr blog where ppl are submitting pictures of the looters Two Wongs - 09/08/2011 12:49:39 PM 1094 Views
People have set up the same thing on Facebook and flickr as well snoopcester - 09/08/2011 01:23:42 PM 1155 Views
... Two Wongs - 09/08/2011 04:12:55 PM 1133 Views
Before and after pictures of buildings/businesses from BBC Fox and Ravens - 09/08/2011 02:12:24 PM 1289 Views
Holy crap, what is wrong with those people?? ironclad - 09/08/2011 02:23:39 PM 1097 Views
how does 'they are brainless idiots' grab you? *NM* Yunalesca - 09/08/2011 05:03:51 PM 541 Views
What's with that last picture set? Nate - 09/08/2011 04:39:53 PM 1159 Views
Never figured the Iranian government for having much of a sense of hunour, snoopcester - 09/08/2011 02:26:01 PM 1215 Views
The hypocricy there is mind-boggling. *NM* Macharius - 09/08/2011 05:03:28 PM 560 Views
I imagine that's the point. Nate - 09/08/2011 05:33:09 PM 1273 Views
That was my take on it as well snoopcester - 09/08/2011 07:03:51 PM 1183 Views
Re: That was my take on it as well Camilla - 11/08/2011 11:32:12 AM 1238 Views
*sprays water over laptop screen* Yunalesca - 09/08/2011 05:07:07 PM 1146 Views
lol wow...that was a bit much *NM* Aisha - 09/08/2011 05:26:33 PM 543 Views
To be fair Sidious - 09/08/2011 06:24:58 PM 1536 Views
You make a fair point. snoopcester - 09/08/2011 07:05:26 PM 1071 Views
Send in the army! Two Wongs - 09/08/2011 11:37:15 PM 1053 Views
That is just lovely. *NM* Camilla - 11/08/2011 11:27:34 AM 569 Views
Remember you're a womble! Zeeb - 09/08/2011 06:49:52 PM 1153 Views
Yes snoopcester - 09/08/2011 07:09:35 PM 1188 Views
Re: Yes Zeeb - 09/08/2011 07:32:18 PM 1138 Views
i can see the smoke from the sony factory fire out of my bedroom window Yunalesca - 09/08/2011 07:21:08 PM 1182 Views
This is all quite... surreal. It's hard to believe. Avendesora - 09/08/2011 08:54:57 PM 1097 Views
The surreal thing is London is still full of tourists who seem to not have a care in the world snoopcester - 09/08/2011 09:03:11 PM 1095 Views
Well, it's not really anti-foreigner sentiment, is it? beetnemesis - 10/08/2011 01:57:55 AM 1173 Views
Not yet but then it isn't pro either snoopcester - 10/08/2011 10:25:13 AM 1173 Views
She has a grandson to meet for the first time, then she's off traveling with a friend. Avendesora - 10/08/2011 03:27:37 AM 1170 Views
Well to clarify, it isn't that I think it is very unsafe just not a good time to go somewhere snoopcester - 10/08/2011 10:19:03 AM 1069 Views
I'm flying to the midlands tomorrow. Helene - 10/08/2011 07:35:28 AM 1127 Views
It seems to be only happening in the evenings and at night. Tim - 10/08/2011 10:59:55 AM 1067 Views
I have been keeping an eye on it; we have friends in Highbury Druid - 10/08/2011 05:07:16 AM 1248 Views
Re: I have been keeping an eye on it; we have friends in Highbury snoopcester - 10/08/2011 10:47:46 AM 1244 Views
Oi!!! Druid - 11/08/2011 04:40:04 AM 1310 Views
Aussie, Aussie? snoopcester - 11/08/2011 11:50:47 AM 1229 Views
I saw Nick Griffin's twitter last night Stephen - 10/08/2011 12:23:01 PM 1091 Views
Yeah, I saw he had been. He's a great little scum bag snoopcester - 10/08/2011 12:47:34 PM 1209 Views
*dual facepalm* Yunalesca - 10/08/2011 02:45:03 PM 1156 Views
Effing EDL snoopcester - 10/08/2011 09:28:41 PM 1210 Views
I liked this blog Camilla - 11/08/2011 11:29:42 AM 1129 Views
Quite good snoopcester - 12/08/2011 02:57:35 PM 1190 Views
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