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OK I blame the site for this random double post. I hit submit once. random thoughts Send a noteboard - 09/08/2011 08:55:17 PM
It looks like some officers my have used deadly force to stop looters but it can't even be shown who authorized it. This was one of the worst police departments in the country, they even have video of some of their officers looting. The tone seems to be that at least after the fact shooting of looters was not supposed to be policy. Either way I think the article supports my argument that regardless of the fact that the laws allows for looters to be shot it is not accepted practice in modern America.

I personally don't have an opinion on if the UK should declare martial law, their local leaders have a much better idea of what is happening than I do and since they are the ones who will answer for the results I will let them make the decisions. In the long run this riot isn't the real problem. England and the rest of the western world needs to question our methods in the care and feeding of the idle poor. Hordes of young people with lots of time and little prospect of changing their life are dangerous to society and no one seems to know what to do with them. We keep hearing that education is the answer and it is part of the answer but so far all it has done is given an escape for a select few while leaving the masses no beter off than before. I don't know what the answer is but someone needs to think of something pretty fast.
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London - 08/08/2011 12:08:35 PM 2254 Views
i freaked out when i heard about that - 08/08/2011 02:09:10 PM 1489 Views
Re: i freaked out when i heard about that - 08/08/2011 02:47:16 PM 1327 Views
It's pretty scary. - 08/08/2011 02:19:51 PM 1337 Views
I found it somewhat last night, having a sister who lives in Brixton - 08/08/2011 02:50:57 PM 1383 Views
I'm sure the media will manage to blame the police somehow - 08/08/2011 03:11:40 PM 1317 Views
I've been following the story. - 08/08/2011 03:26:51 PM 1322 Views
I cannot quite make out what is going on - 08/08/2011 03:27:57 PM 1486 Views
No, that's about it as far as we know - 08/08/2011 03:40:15 PM 1531 Views
Re: I cannot quite make out what is going on - 08/08/2011 03:40:21 PM 1393 Views
Continue to use live ammunition until no one is protesting. *NM* - 08/08/2011 03:53:50 PM 734 Views
Sounds good to me *NM* - 08/08/2011 04:06:04 PM 741 Views
Given what has been reported - 08/08/2011 04:07:13 PM 1450 Views
So, did the original suspect have a gun/fire bullets? - 09/08/2011 04:19:16 PM 1428 Views
Had a gun, didn't fire - 09/08/2011 06:51:54 PM 1371 Views
Not actually true - 09/08/2011 07:01:33 PM 1316 Views
Seems it isn't exactly but I'm not sure your reply is 100% true either - 09/08/2011 07:27:00 PM 1432 Views
Now that's a good point - 09/08/2011 07:45:26 PM 1383 Views
I think with both they're putting disclaimers in - 09/08/2011 08:56:17 PM 1397 Views
There's no evidence he didn't fire? Imagine that. - 09/08/2011 11:22:05 PM 1331 Views
He's saying the evidence available is inconclusive either way. - 09/08/2011 11:37:06 PM 1403 Views
Fair enough. - 09/08/2011 11:56:16 PM 1448 Views
There are various proofs - 10/08/2011 12:06:41 AM 1321 Views
True, but if tests are inconclusive rather than merely incomplete those proofs may not be available. - 10/08/2011 12:47:34 AM 1382 Views
Bullshit - 10/08/2011 01:12:46 AM 1257 Views
If that's the case it's hard to say they overreacted. - 10/08/2011 01:22:45 AM 1245 Views
I do see why it matters if he fired or not - 10/08/2011 12:46:12 AM 1290 Views
Though if he had a gun, in a sock, not drawn... - 10/08/2011 01:50:05 AM 1341 Views
sadly the rioters didn't wait for facts - 10/08/2011 02:56:46 AM 1490 Views
They've announced that the "unknown" gun was never fired - 10/08/2011 02:04:26 PM 1344 Views
So? Are the police supposed to let him get the first shot? *NM* - 10/08/2011 03:15:59 PM 750 Views
...said Gaddafi. *NM* - 10/08/2011 12:11:31 AM 707 Views
And?... *NM* - 10/08/2011 12:17:51 AM 683 Views
Last time I checked, you guys have a vote. First past the post, sure, but it's still a vote. - 10/08/2011 04:33:07 AM 1312 Views
Is there any other country that has a death penalty for children caught stealing? *NM* - 10/08/2011 10:02:56 AM 739 Views
Maybe not, but we can hope there is... *NM* - 10/08/2011 02:04:38 PM 684 Views
You can hope there is. - 10/08/2011 02:21:17 PM 1344 Views
...you guys need a poster named Tam, and a sitcom, stat. *NM* - 10/08/2011 05:11:57 PM 741 Views
+1 - 10/08/2011 05:17:22 PM 1347 Views
LMAO *NM* - 10/08/2011 06:22:11 PM 745 Views
If you want to talk statistics... - 13/08/2011 08:26:39 PM 1290 Views
So the death penalty is a deterrent for the crimes it doesn't apply to, but not for those it does? - 14/08/2011 10:58:14 AM 1505 Views
No, that wasn't my point. - 14/08/2011 09:39:14 PM 1447 Views
light yagami felt the same way - 14/08/2011 01:20:02 PM 1524 Views
Please speak English. *NM* - 14/08/2011 09:39:46 PM 730 Views
They think they have a good reason for what they're doing - 10/08/2011 11:48:52 AM 1292 Views
If they react even more indignantly to a harsh crackdown, maybe they do. - 10/08/2011 02:06:04 PM 1206 Views
Oh? - 10/08/2011 04:05:55 PM 1389 Views
This is the first I've heard of it; here's hoping and praying the damage is restricted to property - 08/08/2011 06:59:06 PM 1395 Views
I am sure - 09/08/2011 06:34:40 PM 1376 Views
I don't recall mentioning any of those groups in connection with this. - 09/08/2011 07:29:01 PM 1310 Views
You will. *NM* - 10/08/2011 12:14:22 AM 693 Views
This is utterly awful. - 08/08/2011 09:41:46 PM 1465 Views
Yeah - it has massively spread today. Just saw footage of youths looting a Sainburys in Birmingham - 08/08/2011 09:52:32 PM 1348 Views
And if they had got the army out - 08/08/2011 09:57:40 PM 1357 Views
That's true. - 08/08/2011 10:03:03 PM 1337 Views
pfft - 08/08/2011 10:23:37 PM 1276 Views
I think the vast majority of people would be just fine with it - 08/08/2011 10:08:34 PM 1509 Views
They call it "martial law" for a reason. - 09/08/2011 02:30:40 AM 1370 Views
Might work in the US - 09/08/2011 02:13:50 PM 1384 Views
When most of the looters are kids I can see how that would be problematic. - 09/08/2011 05:18:09 PM 1362 Views
Joel I don't believe any looters were shot in the Rodney King riots - 09/08/2011 05:41:44 PM 1324 Views
Police were, from what I understand, hard to find during those riots. - 09/08/2011 05:51:11 PM 1344 Views
I am just questioning the logic of the debate taking place here - 09/08/2011 06:33:11 PM 1318 Views
Your notoriously faulty memory is by far the lesser problem here. - 09/08/2011 07:14:07 PM 1598 Views
That article supports my argument - 09/08/2011 08:55:15 PM 1268 Views
OK I blame the site for this random double post. I hit submit once. - 09/08/2011 08:55:17 PM 1320 Views
I can't really argue with anything you've said here, so I won't try. - 09/08/2011 11:11:17 PM 1483 Views
so now you are comparing the rioters to the Tea Party? I guess dartboard was almost right - 10/08/2011 12:51:46 AM 1430 Views
I'm comparing alienation to alienation and noting that it's pervasive. - 10/08/2011 01:19:49 AM 1418 Views
and I am saying you have no idea who the tea party is - 10/08/2011 03:06:15 AM 1306 Views
I guess I should've used the Progressive Caucus instead. - 10/08/2011 04:25:30 PM 1393 Views
Seriously, is it mostly kids? - 08/08/2011 10:08:00 PM 1274 Views
They don't have parents - 08/08/2011 10:10:07 PM 1481 Views
A hell of a lot seem to be - 08/08/2011 10:12:21 PM 1331 Views
I'd be tempted to go down there with a cattle prod. - 08/08/2011 10:14:14 PM 1405 Views
I think there might be too many of them - 08/08/2011 10:23:05 PM 1337 Views
If that link still isn't working, try here - 08/08/2011 10:29:19 PM 1288 Views
its getting absolutely mental - 08/08/2011 10:21:32 PM 1296 Views
Congratulations Ken Livingstone - 08/08/2011 11:44:29 PM 1366 Views
Agree on the first part - 09/08/2011 01:05:01 PM 1358 Views
Um... This is the first I've read / heard about it - 09/08/2011 03:43:02 AM 1288 Views
Looks a bit like a post-apocalyptic sci-fi movie - 09/08/2011 06:38:59 AM 1418 Views
Apparently that's a surprisingly common error. - 09/08/2011 12:34:30 PM 1385 Views
Horrible - 09/08/2011 11:18:21 AM 1255 Views
Yes - 09/08/2011 12:55:00 PM 1442 Views
Tumblr blog where ppl are submitting pictures of the looters - 09/08/2011 12:49:39 PM 1306 Views
People have set up the same thing on Facebook and flickr as well - 09/08/2011 01:23:42 PM 1356 Views
... - 09/08/2011 04:12:55 PM 1353 Views
Before and after pictures of buildings/businesses from BBC - 09/08/2011 02:12:24 PM 1511 Views
Holy crap, what is wrong with those people?? - 09/08/2011 02:23:39 PM 1326 Views
how does 'they are brainless idiots' grab you? *NM* - 09/08/2011 05:03:51 PM 648 Views
What's with that last picture set? - 09/08/2011 04:39:53 PM 1349 Views
Never figured the Iranian government for having much of a sense of hunour, - 09/08/2011 02:26:01 PM 1426 Views
The hypocricy there is mind-boggling. *NM* - 09/08/2011 05:03:28 PM 674 Views
I imagine that's the point. - 09/08/2011 05:33:09 PM 1464 Views
That was my take on it as well - 09/08/2011 07:03:51 PM 1407 Views
Re: That was my take on it as well - 11/08/2011 11:32:12 AM 1447 Views
*sprays water over laptop screen* - 09/08/2011 05:07:07 PM 1359 Views
lol wow...that was a bit much *NM* - 09/08/2011 05:26:33 PM 640 Views
To be fair - 09/08/2011 06:24:58 PM 1763 Views
You make a fair point. - 09/08/2011 07:05:26 PM 1265 Views
Send in the army! - 09/08/2011 11:37:15 PM 1264 Views
That is just lovely. *NM* - 11/08/2011 11:27:34 AM 677 Views
Remember you're a womble! - 09/08/2011 06:49:52 PM 1359 Views
Yes - 09/08/2011 07:09:35 PM 1385 Views
Re: Yes - 09/08/2011 07:32:18 PM 1340 Views
i can see the smoke from the sony factory fire out of my bedroom window - 09/08/2011 07:21:08 PM 1395 Views
This is all quite... surreal. It's hard to believe. - 09/08/2011 08:54:57 PM 1299 Views
The surreal thing is London is still full of tourists who seem to not have a care in the world - 09/08/2011 09:03:11 PM 1308 Views
Well, it's not really anti-foreigner sentiment, is it? - 10/08/2011 01:57:55 AM 1394 Views
Not yet but then it isn't pro either - 10/08/2011 10:25:13 AM 1378 Views
I'm flying to the midlands tomorrow. - 10/08/2011 07:35:28 AM 1329 Views
It seems to be only happening in the evenings and at night. - 10/08/2011 10:59:55 AM 1293 Views
I have been keeping an eye on it; we have friends in Highbury - 10/08/2011 05:07:16 AM 1450 Views
Re: I have been keeping an eye on it; we have friends in Highbury - 10/08/2011 10:47:46 AM 1465 Views
Oi!!! - 11/08/2011 04:40:04 AM 1538 Views
Aussie, Aussie? - 11/08/2011 11:50:47 AM 1465 Views
I saw Nick Griffin's twitter last night - 10/08/2011 12:23:01 PM 1284 Views
Yeah, I saw he had been. He's a great little scum bag - 10/08/2011 12:47:34 PM 1386 Views
*dual facepalm* - 10/08/2011 02:45:03 PM 1366 Views
Effing EDL - 10/08/2011 09:28:41 PM 1464 Views
I liked this blog - 11/08/2011 11:29:42 AM 1353 Views
Quite good - 12/08/2011 02:57:35 PM 1399 Views

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