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Re: I have been keeping an eye on it; we have friends in Highbury snoopcester Send a noteboard - 10/08/2011 10:47:46 AM
I have been trying to avoid the opinion pieces saying why this has occurred, but the opinions sort of leak through. Seems not much has changed since I lived in London in early Victorian times. Not enough education, not enough opportunity exacerbated by a degree of discrimination. No solutions apart from passive ghetto-isation.


Some of it is the same but I think there have been changes as well - I think perception plays more of a role now. The discrimination is more imagined than real now for example, as well as the increasing wealth divide at the same time as the life styles of the wealthy being advertised as something people should have.

I note with admiration the actions of the Turkish community around Stoke Newington in guarding what was their's to guard,and other communities in London and elsewhere that stood up to the looting gangs.


That along with the mass clear ups has been really good to see. Though I've some reservations about some of the groups last night - seeing a mass of white blokes chanting "Ingerlaaand" does hint towards new problems, along with rumours another group were shouting racist abuse as they chased of youths.

Lucky looters. Any other country and they would have been trying to outrun a speeding bullet, not a group of police with 30 kg of riot gear apiece.

I would like to suggest that the courts impose a novel punishment on those who are caught and found guilty. After they have helped clean up the mess, they can all get deported to Syria. Or Pakistan. And then maybe they will realise how lucky they are to live in a society they so willingly trash.


We tried that. Years later the swine came back to beat us at our own sports and sell us horrible beer and even worse soap operas. We do NOT need a repeat of that!

My sympathies to everyone affected by these events.
*MySmiley*

Robert Graves "There is no money in poetry, but then there is no poetry in money, either."

Henning Mankell "We must defend the open society, because if we start locking our doors, if we let fear decide, the person who committed the act of terror will win"
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London snoopcester - 08/08/2011 12:08:35 PM 2197 Views
i freaked out when i heard about that Yunalesca - 08/08/2011 02:09:10 PM 1432 Views
Re: i freaked out when i heard about that snoopcester - 08/08/2011 02:47:16 PM 1264 Views
It's pretty scary. Rebekah - 08/08/2011 02:19:51 PM 1284 Views
I found it somewhat last night, having a sister who lives in Brixton snoopcester - 08/08/2011 02:50:57 PM 1316 Views
I'm sure the media will manage to blame the police somehow Wibble - 08/08/2011 03:11:40 PM 1245 Views
I've been following the story. Spriteling - 08/08/2011 03:26:51 PM 1262 Views
I cannot quite make out what is going on Camilla - 08/08/2011 03:27:57 PM 1417 Views
No, that's about it as far as we know Wibble - 08/08/2011 03:40:15 PM 1466 Views
Re: I cannot quite make out what is going on snoopcester - 08/08/2011 03:40:21 PM 1320 Views
Continue to use live ammunition until no one is protesting. *NM* Tom - 08/08/2011 03:53:50 PM 698 Views
Sounds good to me *NM* Wibble - 08/08/2011 04:06:04 PM 704 Views
Okay, bored of these riots now, time for the police to follow 10CCs example... Wibble - 08/08/2011 09:28:36 PM 1353 Views
Given what has been reported snoopcester - 08/08/2011 04:07:13 PM 1382 Views
So, did the original suspect have a gun/fire bullets? beetnemesis - 09/08/2011 04:19:16 PM 1360 Views
Had a gun, didn't fire snoopcester - 09/08/2011 06:51:54 PM 1313 Views
Not actually true Wibble - 09/08/2011 07:01:33 PM 1246 Views
Seems it isn't exactly but I'm not sure your reply is 100% true either snoopcester - 09/08/2011 07:27:00 PM 1361 Views
Now that's a good point Wibble - 09/08/2011 07:45:26 PM 1325 Views
I think with both they're putting disclaimers in snoopcester - 09/08/2011 08:56:17 PM 1337 Views
There's no evidence he didn't fire? Imagine that. Joel - 09/08/2011 11:22:05 PM 1271 Views
He's saying the evidence available is inconclusive either way. Rebekah - 09/08/2011 11:37:06 PM 1341 Views
Fair enough. Joel - 09/08/2011 11:56:16 PM 1389 Views
There are various proofs snoopcester - 10/08/2011 12:06:41 AM 1259 Views
True, but if tests are inconclusive rather than merely incomplete those proofs may not be available. Joel - 10/08/2011 12:47:34 AM 1304 Views
Bullshit Wibble - 10/08/2011 01:12:46 AM 1166 Views
If that's the case it's hard to say they overreacted. Joel - 10/08/2011 01:22:45 AM 1178 Views
I do see why it matters if he fired or not random thoughts - 10/08/2011 12:46:12 AM 1230 Views
Again, I don't know the British standard, so I can only guess how it works. Joel - 10/08/2011 12:54:20 AM 1322 Views
Though if he had a gun, in a sock, not drawn... beetnemesis - 10/08/2011 01:50:05 AM 1276 Views
sadly the rioters didn't wait for facts random thoughts - 10/08/2011 02:56:46 AM 1424 Views
They've announced that the "unknown" gun was never fired beetnemesis - 10/08/2011 02:04:26 PM 1284 Views
So? Are the police supposed to let him get the first shot? *NM* random thoughts - 10/08/2011 03:15:59 PM 716 Views
...said Gaddafi. *NM* Tim - 10/08/2011 12:11:31 AM 672 Views
And?... *NM* Wibble - 10/08/2011 12:17:51 AM 651 Views
And we just went to war with him because he was shooting people in the street. Tim - 10/08/2011 09:56:07 AM 1313 Views
Last time I checked, you guys have a vote. First past the post, sure, but it's still a vote. Tom - 10/08/2011 04:33:07 AM 1251 Views
Is there any other country that has a death penalty for children caught stealing? *NM* Tim - 10/08/2011 10:02:56 AM 705 Views
Maybe not, but we can hope there is... *NM* Tom - 10/08/2011 02:04:38 PM 653 Views
You can hope there is. Tim - 10/08/2011 02:21:17 PM 1280 Views
...you guys need a poster named Tam, and a sitcom, stat. *NM* beetnemesis - 10/08/2011 05:11:57 PM 706 Views
+1 Yunalesca - 10/08/2011 05:17:22 PM 1292 Views
Wibble is called Tam (Scots) or Tom (English), and used to go by dragon_tam. Tim - 10/08/2011 05:27:16 PM 1376 Views
LMAO *NM* Aisha - 10/08/2011 06:22:11 PM 709 Views
If you want to talk statistics... Tom - 13/08/2011 08:26:39 PM 1221 Views
So the death penalty is a deterrent for the crimes it doesn't apply to, but not for those it does? Tim - 14/08/2011 10:58:14 AM 1434 Views
No, that wasn't my point. Tom - 14/08/2011 09:39:14 PM 1379 Views
light yagami felt the same way Yunalesca - 14/08/2011 01:20:02 PM 1466 Views
Please speak English. *NM* Tom - 14/08/2011 09:39:46 PM 693 Views
They think they have a good reason for what they're doing snoopcester - 10/08/2011 11:48:52 AM 1226 Views
If they react even more indignantly to a harsh crackdown, maybe they do. Tom - 10/08/2011 02:06:04 PM 1155 Views
Oh? snoopcester - 10/08/2011 04:05:55 PM 1331 Views
This is the first I've heard of it; here's hoping and praying the damage is restricted to property Joel - 08/08/2011 06:59:06 PM 1336 Views
I am sure dart_board - 09/08/2011 06:34:40 PM 1315 Views
I don't recall mentioning any of those groups in connection with this. Joel - 09/08/2011 07:29:01 PM 1231 Views
You will. *NM* dart_board - 10/08/2011 12:14:22 AM 657 Views
I've had plenty of opportunites and still didn't, even when rt practically teed one up for me. Joel - 10/08/2011 12:25:09 AM 1268 Views
This is utterly awful. Rebekah - 08/08/2011 09:41:46 PM 1406 Views
Yeah - it has massively spread today. Just saw footage of youths looting a Sainburys in Birmingham snoopcester - 08/08/2011 09:52:32 PM 1289 Views
And if they had got the army out Wibble - 08/08/2011 09:57:40 PM 1300 Views
That's true. Rebekah - 08/08/2011 10:03:03 PM 1276 Views
pfft Yunalesca - 08/08/2011 10:23:37 PM 1224 Views
I think the vast majority of people would be just fine with it snoopcester - 08/08/2011 10:08:34 PM 1434 Views
They call it "martial law" for a reason. Joel - 09/08/2011 02:30:40 AM 1289 Views
Might work in the US snoopcester - 09/08/2011 02:13:50 PM 1319 Views
When most of the looters are kids I can see how that would be problematic. Joel - 09/08/2011 05:18:09 PM 1296 Views
Joel I don't believe any looters were shot in the Rodney King riots random thoughts - 09/08/2011 05:41:44 PM 1262 Views
Police were, from what I understand, hard to find during those riots. Joel - 09/08/2011 05:51:11 PM 1267 Views
I am just questioning the logic of the debate taking place here random thoughts - 09/08/2011 06:33:11 PM 1255 Views
Your notoriously faulty memory is by far the lesser problem here. Joel - 09/08/2011 07:14:07 PM 1532 Views
That article supports my argument random thoughts - 09/08/2011 08:55:15 PM 1191 Views
OK I blame the site for this random double post. I hit submit once. random thoughts - 09/08/2011 08:55:17 PM 1245 Views
I can't really argue with anything you've said here, so I won't try. Joel - 09/08/2011 11:11:17 PM 1406 Views
so now you are comparing the rioters to the Tea Party? I guess dartboard was almost right random thoughts - 10/08/2011 12:51:46 AM 1362 Views
I'm comparing alienation to alienation and noting that it's pervasive. Joel - 10/08/2011 01:19:49 AM 1347 Views
and I am saying you have no idea who the tea party is random thoughts - 10/08/2011 03:06:15 AM 1251 Views
I guess I should've used the Progressive Caucus instead. Joel - 10/08/2011 04:25:30 PM 1331 Views
Seriously, is it mostly kids? nossy - 08/08/2011 10:08:00 PM 1218 Views
They don't have parents Wibble - 08/08/2011 10:10:07 PM 1418 Views
A hell of a lot seem to be snoopcester - 08/08/2011 10:12:21 PM 1269 Views
I'd be tempted to go down there with a cattle prod. nossy - 08/08/2011 10:14:14 PM 1346 Views
I think there might be too many of them snoopcester - 08/08/2011 10:23:05 PM 1262 Views
If that link still isn't working, try here snoopcester - 08/08/2011 10:29:19 PM 1222 Views
I know that if I had ever participated in anything like that, my mother would have kicked my ass. Avendesora - 09/08/2011 08:48:09 PM 1388 Views
its getting absolutely mental Yunalesca - 08/08/2011 10:21:32 PM 1240 Views
Congratulations Ken Livingstone Wibble - 08/08/2011 11:44:29 PM 1306 Views
Agree on the first part snoopcester - 09/08/2011 01:05:01 PM 1286 Views
Um... This is the first I've read / heard about it Two Wongs - 09/08/2011 03:43:02 AM 1227 Views
Looks a bit like a post-apocalyptic sci-fi movie Sports_Gambler - 09/08/2011 06:38:59 AM 1351 Views
Apparently that's a surprisingly common error. Joel - 09/08/2011 12:34:30 PM 1323 Views
Horrible Mark - 09/08/2011 11:18:21 AM 1195 Views
Yes snoopcester - 09/08/2011 12:55:00 PM 1367 Views
Tumblr blog where ppl are submitting pictures of the looters Two Wongs - 09/08/2011 12:49:39 PM 1248 Views
People have set up the same thing on Facebook and flickr as well snoopcester - 09/08/2011 01:23:42 PM 1298 Views
... Two Wongs - 09/08/2011 04:12:55 PM 1295 Views
Before and after pictures of buildings/businesses from BBC Fox and Ravens - 09/08/2011 02:12:24 PM 1444 Views
Holy crap, what is wrong with those people?? ironclad - 09/08/2011 02:23:39 PM 1263 Views
how does 'they are brainless idiots' grab you? *NM* Yunalesca - 09/08/2011 05:03:51 PM 615 Views
What's with that last picture set? Nate - 09/08/2011 04:39:53 PM 1288 Views
Never figured the Iranian government for having much of a sense of hunour, snoopcester - 09/08/2011 02:26:01 PM 1365 Views
The hypocricy there is mind-boggling. *NM* Macharius - 09/08/2011 05:03:28 PM 640 Views
I imagine that's the point. Nate - 09/08/2011 05:33:09 PM 1405 Views
That was my take on it as well snoopcester - 09/08/2011 07:03:51 PM 1329 Views
Re: That was my take on it as well Camilla - 11/08/2011 11:32:12 AM 1390 Views
*sprays water over laptop screen* Yunalesca - 09/08/2011 05:07:07 PM 1297 Views
lol wow...that was a bit much *NM* Aisha - 09/08/2011 05:26:33 PM 612 Views
To be fair Sidious - 09/08/2011 06:24:58 PM 1689 Views
You make a fair point. snoopcester - 09/08/2011 07:05:26 PM 1205 Views
Send in the army! Two Wongs - 09/08/2011 11:37:15 PM 1206 Views
That is just lovely. *NM* Camilla - 11/08/2011 11:27:34 AM 644 Views
Remember you're a womble! Zeeb - 09/08/2011 06:49:52 PM 1297 Views
Yes snoopcester - 09/08/2011 07:09:35 PM 1320 Views
Re: Yes Zeeb - 09/08/2011 07:32:18 PM 1282 Views
i can see the smoke from the sony factory fire out of my bedroom window Yunalesca - 09/08/2011 07:21:08 PM 1333 Views
This is all quite... surreal. It's hard to believe. Avendesora - 09/08/2011 08:54:57 PM 1233 Views
The surreal thing is London is still full of tourists who seem to not have a care in the world snoopcester - 09/08/2011 09:03:11 PM 1241 Views
Well, it's not really anti-foreigner sentiment, is it? beetnemesis - 10/08/2011 01:57:55 AM 1333 Views
Not yet but then it isn't pro either snoopcester - 10/08/2011 10:25:13 AM 1315 Views
She has a grandson to meet for the first time, then she's off traveling with a friend. Avendesora - 10/08/2011 03:27:37 AM 1299 Views
Well to clarify, it isn't that I think it is very unsafe just not a good time to go somewhere snoopcester - 10/08/2011 10:19:03 AM 1203 Views
I'm flying to the midlands tomorrow. Helene - 10/08/2011 07:35:28 AM 1274 Views
It seems to be only happening in the evenings and at night. Tim - 10/08/2011 10:59:55 AM 1238 Views
I have been keeping an eye on it; we have friends in Highbury Druid - 10/08/2011 05:07:16 AM 1380 Views
Re: I have been keeping an eye on it; we have friends in Highbury snoopcester - 10/08/2011 10:47:46 AM 1396 Views
Oi!!! Druid - 11/08/2011 04:40:04 AM 1466 Views
Aussie, Aussie? snoopcester - 11/08/2011 11:50:47 AM 1401 Views
I saw Nick Griffin's twitter last night Stephen - 10/08/2011 12:23:01 PM 1217 Views
Yeah, I saw he had been. He's a great little scum bag snoopcester - 10/08/2011 12:47:34 PM 1323 Views
*dual facepalm* Yunalesca - 10/08/2011 02:45:03 PM 1302 Views
Effing EDL snoopcester - 10/08/2011 09:28:41 PM 1343 Views
I liked this blog Camilla - 11/08/2011 11:29:42 AM 1293 Views
Quite good snoopcester - 12/08/2011 02:57:35 PM 1335 Views
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