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Seems it isn't exactly but I'm not sure your reply is 100% true either snoopcester Send a noteboard - 09/08/2011 07:27:00 PM
The police have said there is no evidence he fired, however they have also said there is no evidence he didn't fire. Ballistic tests on the gun are ongoing. They have said the police fired twice, one to the heart, one hitting a bicep and a ricochet from one of these two hit a police radio.


I did just see a headline saying he didn't fire at officers in quotations so assumed it was directly taken from the IPCC report.
Even reading the Daily Mail article on it seems like at this point they can't 100% rule out that he fired a shot but very probably didn't, not least as they are investigating the bulleted cartridge that was in the chamber.

Also, I heard the rumours about the sock yesterday, and I'd forgotten that a gun in a sock isn't threatening, the powers of a sock to stop a bullet are after all well documented. I don't know why our soldiers run around in kevlar body armour, they should just cover themselves in odd socks. :P


It would be even harder to fire a gun in a concrete block ;)

To be honest i'm not fussed if he shot or didn't, nor if the gun was out or not. The guy had a gun, the gun was loaded and a bullet was ready to be fired, it's his fault he got shot.


So while being pedantic, has it been confirmed the gun was his? I'm just asking since you are so keen to point out that the IPCC report does cover the chance that he did fire it... and since all the references to the gun in the media describe it as having been found at the scene, not belonging to him, it would seem logical to apply the same doubt to that?
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London snoopcester - 08/08/2011 12:08:35 PM 1770 Views
i freaked out when i heard about that Yunalesca - 08/08/2011 02:09:10 PM 1010 Views
Re: i freaked out when i heard about that snoopcester - 08/08/2011 02:47:16 PM 849 Views
It's pretty scary. Rebekah - 08/08/2011 02:19:51 PM 882 Views
I found it somewhat last night, having a sister who lives in Brixton snoopcester - 08/08/2011 02:50:57 PM 898 Views
I'm sure the media will manage to blame the police somehow Wibble - 08/08/2011 03:11:40 PM 787 Views
I've been following the story. Spriteling - 08/08/2011 03:26:51 PM 853 Views
I cannot quite make out what is going on Camilla - 08/08/2011 03:27:57 PM 997 Views
No, that's about it as far as we know Wibble - 08/08/2011 03:40:15 PM 1036 Views
Re: I cannot quite make out what is going on snoopcester - 08/08/2011 03:40:21 PM 888 Views
Continue to use live ammunition until no one is protesting. *NM* Tom - 08/08/2011 03:53:50 PM 476 Views
Sounds good to me *NM* Wibble - 08/08/2011 04:06:04 PM 455 Views
Okay, bored of these riots now, time for the police to follow 10CCs example... Wibble - 08/08/2011 09:28:36 PM 925 Views
Given what has been reported snoopcester - 08/08/2011 04:07:13 PM 954 Views
So, did the original suspect have a gun/fire bullets? beetnemesis - 09/08/2011 04:19:16 PM 932 Views
Had a gun, didn't fire snoopcester - 09/08/2011 06:51:54 PM 851 Views
Not actually true Wibble - 09/08/2011 07:01:33 PM 839 Views
Seems it isn't exactly but I'm not sure your reply is 100% true either snoopcester - 09/08/2011 07:27:00 PM 928 Views
Now that's a good point Wibble - 09/08/2011 07:45:26 PM 904 Views
I think with both they're putting disclaimers in snoopcester - 09/08/2011 08:56:17 PM 942 Views
There's no evidence he didn't fire? Imagine that. Joel - 09/08/2011 11:22:05 PM 842 Views
He's saying the evidence available is inconclusive either way. Rebekah - 09/08/2011 11:37:06 PM 917 Views
Fair enough. Joel - 09/08/2011 11:56:16 PM 961 Views
There are various proofs snoopcester - 10/08/2011 12:06:41 AM 852 Views
True, but if tests are inconclusive rather than merely incomplete those proofs may not be available. Joel - 10/08/2011 12:47:34 AM 886 Views
Bullshit Wibble - 10/08/2011 01:12:46 AM 782 Views
If that's the case it's hard to say they overreacted. Joel - 10/08/2011 01:22:45 AM 755 Views
I do see why it matters if he fired or not random thoughts - 10/08/2011 12:46:12 AM 804 Views
Again, I don't know the British standard, so I can only guess how it works. Joel - 10/08/2011 12:54:20 AM 904 Views
Though if he had a gun, in a sock, not drawn... beetnemesis - 10/08/2011 01:50:05 AM 865 Views
sadly the rioters didn't wait for facts random thoughts - 10/08/2011 02:56:46 AM 984 Views
They've announced that the "unknown" gun was never fired beetnemesis - 10/08/2011 02:04:26 PM 874 Views
So? Are the police supposed to let him get the first shot? *NM* random thoughts - 10/08/2011 03:15:59 PM 483 Views
...said Gaddafi. *NM* Tim - 10/08/2011 12:11:31 AM 453 Views
And?... *NM* Wibble - 10/08/2011 12:17:51 AM 430 Views
And we just went to war with him because he was shooting people in the street. Tim - 10/08/2011 09:56:07 AM 870 Views
Last time I checked, you guys have a vote. First past the post, sure, but it's still a vote. Tom - 10/08/2011 04:33:07 AM 834 Views
Is there any other country that has a death penalty for children caught stealing? *NM* Tim - 10/08/2011 10:02:56 AM 480 Views
Maybe not, but we can hope there is... *NM* Tom - 10/08/2011 02:04:38 PM 420 Views
You can hope there is. Tim - 10/08/2011 02:21:17 PM 841 Views
...you guys need a poster named Tam, and a sitcom, stat. *NM* beetnemesis - 10/08/2011 05:11:57 PM 470 Views
+1 Yunalesca - 10/08/2011 05:17:22 PM 849 Views
Wibble is called Tam (Scots) or Tom (English), and used to go by dragon_tam. Tim - 10/08/2011 05:27:16 PM 956 Views
LMAO *NM* Aisha - 10/08/2011 06:22:11 PM 444 Views
If you want to talk statistics... Tom - 13/08/2011 08:26:39 PM 802 Views
So the death penalty is a deterrent for the crimes it doesn't apply to, but not for those it does? Tim - 14/08/2011 10:58:14 AM 985 Views
No, that wasn't my point. Tom - 14/08/2011 09:39:14 PM 956 Views
light yagami felt the same way Yunalesca - 14/08/2011 01:20:02 PM 950 Views
Please speak English. *NM* Tom - 14/08/2011 09:39:46 PM 460 Views
They think they have a good reason for what they're doing snoopcester - 10/08/2011 11:48:52 AM 814 Views
If they react even more indignantly to a harsh crackdown, maybe they do. Tom - 10/08/2011 02:06:04 PM 727 Views
Oh? snoopcester - 10/08/2011 04:05:55 PM 912 Views
This is the first I've heard of it; here's hoping and praying the damage is restricted to property Joel - 08/08/2011 06:59:06 PM 897 Views
I am sure dart_board - 09/08/2011 06:34:40 PM 894 Views
I don't recall mentioning any of those groups in connection with this. Joel - 09/08/2011 07:29:01 PM 806 Views
You will. *NM* dart_board - 10/08/2011 12:14:22 AM 447 Views
I've had plenty of opportunites and still didn't, even when rt practically teed one up for me. Joel - 10/08/2011 12:25:09 AM 845 Views
This is utterly awful. Rebekah - 08/08/2011 09:41:46 PM 982 Views
Yeah - it has massively spread today. Just saw footage of youths looting a Sainburys in Birmingham snoopcester - 08/08/2011 09:52:32 PM 899 Views
And if they had got the army out Wibble - 08/08/2011 09:57:40 PM 864 Views
That's true. Rebekah - 08/08/2011 10:03:03 PM 875 Views
pfft Yunalesca - 08/08/2011 10:23:37 PM 857 Views
I think the vast majority of people would be just fine with it snoopcester - 08/08/2011 10:08:34 PM 1006 Views
They call it "martial law" for a reason. Joel - 09/08/2011 02:30:40 AM 841 Views
Might work in the US snoopcester - 09/08/2011 02:13:50 PM 895 Views
When most of the looters are kids I can see how that would be problematic. Joel - 09/08/2011 05:18:09 PM 882 Views
Joel I don't believe any looters were shot in the Rodney King riots random thoughts - 09/08/2011 05:41:44 PM 841 Views
Police were, from what I understand, hard to find during those riots. Joel - 09/08/2011 05:51:11 PM 845 Views
I am just questioning the logic of the debate taking place here random thoughts - 09/08/2011 06:33:11 PM 797 Views
Your notoriously faulty memory is by far the lesser problem here. Joel - 09/08/2011 07:14:07 PM 1097 Views
That article supports my argument random thoughts - 09/08/2011 08:55:15 PM 760 Views
OK I blame the site for this random double post. I hit submit once. random thoughts - 09/08/2011 08:55:17 PM 812 Views
I can't really argue with anything you've said here, so I won't try. Joel - 09/08/2011 11:11:17 PM 948 Views
so now you are comparing the rioters to the Tea Party? I guess dartboard was almost right random thoughts - 10/08/2011 12:51:46 AM 875 Views
I'm comparing alienation to alienation and noting that it's pervasive. Joel - 10/08/2011 01:19:49 AM 941 Views
and I am saying you have no idea who the tea party is random thoughts - 10/08/2011 03:06:15 AM 836 Views
I guess I should've used the Progressive Caucus instead. Joel - 10/08/2011 04:25:30 PM 903 Views
Seriously, is it mostly kids? nossy - 08/08/2011 10:08:00 PM 791 Views
They don't have parents Wibble - 08/08/2011 10:10:07 PM 970 Views
A hell of a lot seem to be snoopcester - 08/08/2011 10:12:21 PM 859 Views
I'd be tempted to go down there with a cattle prod. nossy - 08/08/2011 10:14:14 PM 919 Views
I think there might be too many of them snoopcester - 08/08/2011 10:23:05 PM 854 Views
If that link still isn't working, try here snoopcester - 08/08/2011 10:29:19 PM 796 Views
I know that if I had ever participated in anything like that, my mother would have kicked my ass. Avendesora - 09/08/2011 08:48:09 PM 968 Views
its getting absolutely mental Yunalesca - 08/08/2011 10:21:32 PM 851 Views
Congratulations Ken Livingstone Wibble - 08/08/2011 11:44:29 PM 890 Views
Agree on the first part snoopcester - 09/08/2011 01:05:01 PM 898 Views
Um... This is the first I've read / heard about it Two Wongs - 09/08/2011 03:43:02 AM 812 Views
Looks a bit like a post-apocalyptic sci-fi movie Sports_Gambler - 09/08/2011 06:38:59 AM 882 Views
Apparently that's a surprisingly common error. Joel - 09/08/2011 12:34:30 PM 905 Views
Horrible Mark - 09/08/2011 11:18:21 AM 780 Views
Yes snoopcester - 09/08/2011 12:55:00 PM 955 Views
Tumblr blog where ppl are submitting pictures of the looters Two Wongs - 09/08/2011 12:49:39 PM 805 Views
People have set up the same thing on Facebook and flickr as well snoopcester - 09/08/2011 01:23:42 PM 870 Views
... Two Wongs - 09/08/2011 04:12:55 PM 859 Views
Before and after pictures of buildings/businesses from BBC Fox and Ravens - 09/08/2011 02:12:24 PM 989 Views
Holy crap, what is wrong with those people?? ironclad - 09/08/2011 02:23:39 PM 812 Views
how does 'they are brainless idiots' grab you? *NM* Yunalesca - 09/08/2011 05:03:51 PM 379 Views
What's with that last picture set? Nate - 09/08/2011 04:39:53 PM 878 Views
Never figured the Iranian government for having much of a sense of hunour, snoopcester - 09/08/2011 02:26:01 PM 916 Views
The hypocricy there is mind-boggling. *NM* Macharius - 09/08/2011 05:03:28 PM 404 Views
I imagine that's the point. Nate - 09/08/2011 05:33:09 PM 992 Views
That was my take on it as well snoopcester - 09/08/2011 07:03:51 PM 910 Views
Re: That was my take on it as well Camilla - 11/08/2011 11:32:12 AM 985 Views
*sprays water over laptop screen* Yunalesca - 09/08/2011 05:07:07 PM 867 Views
lol wow...that was a bit much *NM* Aisha - 09/08/2011 05:26:33 PM 385 Views
To be fair Sidious - 09/08/2011 06:24:58 PM 1113 Views
You make a fair point. snoopcester - 09/08/2011 07:05:26 PM 784 Views
Send in the army! Two Wongs - 09/08/2011 11:37:15 PM 807 Views
That is just lovely. *NM* Camilla - 11/08/2011 11:27:34 AM 410 Views
Remember you're a womble! Zeeb - 09/08/2011 06:49:52 PM 861 Views
Yes snoopcester - 09/08/2011 07:09:35 PM 888 Views
Re: Yes Zeeb - 09/08/2011 07:32:18 PM 891 Views
i can see the smoke from the sony factory fire out of my bedroom window Yunalesca - 09/08/2011 07:21:08 PM 891 Views
This is all quite... surreal. It's hard to believe. Avendesora - 09/08/2011 08:54:57 PM 810 Views
The surreal thing is London is still full of tourists who seem to not have a care in the world snoopcester - 09/08/2011 09:03:11 PM 816 Views
Well, it's not really anti-foreigner sentiment, is it? beetnemesis - 10/08/2011 01:57:55 AM 906 Views
Not yet but then it isn't pro either snoopcester - 10/08/2011 10:25:13 AM 881 Views
She has a grandson to meet for the first time, then she's off traveling with a friend. Avendesora - 10/08/2011 03:27:37 AM 880 Views
Well to clarify, it isn't that I think it is very unsafe just not a good time to go somewhere snoopcester - 10/08/2011 10:19:03 AM 799 Views
I'm flying to the midlands tomorrow. Helene - 10/08/2011 07:35:28 AM 843 Views
It seems to be only happening in the evenings and at night. Tim - 10/08/2011 10:59:55 AM 750 Views
I have been keeping an eye on it; we have friends in Highbury Druid - 10/08/2011 05:07:16 AM 954 Views
Re: I have been keeping an eye on it; we have friends in Highbury snoopcester - 10/08/2011 10:47:46 AM 948 Views
Oi!!! Druid - 11/08/2011 04:40:04 AM 1025 Views
Aussie, Aussie? snoopcester - 11/08/2011 11:50:47 AM 931 Views
I saw Nick Griffin's twitter last night Stephen - 10/08/2011 12:23:01 PM 821 Views
Yeah, I saw he had been. He's a great little scum bag snoopcester - 10/08/2011 12:47:34 PM 917 Views
*dual facepalm* Yunalesca - 10/08/2011 02:45:03 PM 865 Views
Effing EDL snoopcester - 10/08/2011 09:28:41 PM 913 Views
I liked this blog Camilla - 11/08/2011 11:29:42 AM 818 Views
Quite good snoopcester - 12/08/2011 02:57:35 PM 899 Views
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