Don't complain things turn partisan when you habitually turn every conversation into proclamations about how right your view of the world is and people object to your assertions.
Habitually, maybe, but not automatically. You have more faith in the system than I but that doesn't mean the system doesn't have systemic flaws any more than my view means the system's completely irredeemable. Boundless optimism is very reassuring; I see little indication it's anything more than that.
Remember, this thread fundamentally was about an article written by someone who thinks aliens will exterminate us for not being green enough, which I called hogwash, in our various back and forths nothing you've said contradicted that and boil down entirely to episode 6110 of "Joel Rants" which are always about how screwed up the system is while making snide remarks at those who don't agree the system is as screwed up as you think or necessarily in the way you think.
I remember how this thread began; I trust YOU remember that my participation in it began with snide comments agreeing with you that the premise is hogwash. My first response to you specifically was to the effect that a species ethically AND technically advanced enough for interstellar travel and value judgements about the other species it encounters is more likely to assist them breaking self destructive habits than annihilate them for displaying such habits (a point you later echoed). Not sure what more I can say about that except "sorry I didn't agree as emphatically as you'd like and/or for your preferred reasons".
You're the one who made this political. In point of fact, I'm pretty sure I've never started a political argument on this site, certainly it's a rarity, alternatively you do it all the time. So if we've gotten to that point again it is not of my doing.
I made it political in the sense of it being about people, because I think it very much is, to such an extent there's no need for me to "make" it so. For that matter, the threads premise that an interstellar species might exterminate humanity over global warming was pretty politically charged before either of us arrived. It was therefore probably inevitable we'd go from agreeing that's extremely unlikely to debating whether global warming represents an inherently self destructive impulse in our society, since we have very different views on that subject (and global warming itself; speaking of which, I did view your earlier thread on a possible new Maunder Minimum with encouragement, but it according to a follow up Wired article it looks like that offers no reprieve).
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If ever there was a reason to cut greenhouse gas emissions
- 19/08/2011 10:14:00 AM
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I've seen Start Trek, I know the real threat is you killing whales.
- 19/08/2011 10:34:08 AM
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I know
- 19/08/2011 10:36:22 AM
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- 19/08/2011 10:36:22 AM
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You make a fair point
- 19/08/2011 11:22:53 AM
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There's so much wrong with that
- 19/08/2011 01:08:57 PM
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"They don't recycle; kill them all. "
- 19/08/2011 07:11:15 PM
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- 19/08/2011 07:11:15 PM
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Very Space Hippy
- 19/08/2011 10:39:10 PM
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- 19/08/2011 10:39:10 PM
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It's still debatable whether we've abandoned the evolutionary ladder.
- 19/08/2011 11:16:58 PM
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You'll welcome to debate that with a biologist, it's not my specialty or interest
- 20/08/2011 04:46:43 AM
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I've seen a lot of mainstream biologists suggest human evolution may be mostly mental now.
- 21/08/2011 11:32:48 AM
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Neither of us are biologists though and it's not really relveant anyway
- 21/08/2011 01:21:06 PM
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I'm not ignoring it, just wondering why over half the planet ignores it and lives in misery.
- 21/08/2011 01:55:53 PM
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If you have occassion to spend time in those places you'll know why
- 21/08/2011 02:38:44 PM
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How does literal mud huts as the norm respresent living standards rising "a lot".
- 22/08/2011 12:29:35 AM
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You seem to have cherry-picked what you wanted to hear out of my comments
- 22/08/2011 01:07:10 AM
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"It's a stability thing, not a Western greed thing" seemed to encapsulate your comments.
- 22/08/2011 03:10:17 PM
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Only if you really cherry pick them
- 23/08/2011 02:48:08 AM
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This seems to have descended into an insoluble partisan debate.
- 23/08/2011 07:43:07 PM
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You're the one who dragged it to that
- 23/08/2011 08:10:03 PM
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Did I?
- 25/08/2011 10:18:29 PM
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*rudely butts in*
- 23/08/2011 04:38:33 AM
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American companies don't go to China SOLELY to screw the working class, no;that's largely incidental
- 25/08/2011 08:03:05 PM
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we should abdon the myth of the evolutionary ladder
- 20/08/2011 11:49:35 PM
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Probably; as discussed in Brams thread it should never be seen as predictive, let alone prophetic.
- 21/08/2011 11:55:09 AM
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Well, for this context I think the use is okay
- 21/08/2011 11:59:19 AM
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That's an interesting point about the NEED for fossil fuels as a stepping stone to advanced culture.
- 21/08/2011 12:33:59 PM
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Not a need, just an edge
- 21/08/2011 02:06:23 PM
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There's industrialization and then there's industrialization.
- 22/08/2011 12:53:35 AM
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If you were more familiar with engineering you'd not say something like that
- 22/08/2011 01:53:33 AM
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I dispute that industrialization is primarily about non-agricultural production.
- 22/08/2011 03:10:19 PM
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Well you can argue that with a dictionary I suppose
- 23/08/2011 03:50:52 AM
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I'm not above that, but the dictionary definitions I've found are disappointingly self-referential.
- 24/08/2011 02:25:21 AM
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That tends to be the case, it is a kinda vague term outside of specific context
- 24/08/2011 09:12:19 AM
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Tends to moot that part of the debate though.
- 26/08/2011 12:31:21 AM
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and we wonder why so many people ignore "scientist"
- 19/08/2011 01:17:38 PM
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Think it's better to ignore "reporters on a slow news day," to be honest *NM*
- 19/08/2011 02:38:23 PM
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Hypothetical aliens are perfectly wise
- 19/08/2011 06:24:13 PM
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You may be confusing aliens with God.
- 19/08/2011 07:08:01 PM
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