Getting care, getting timely care, getting quality care and paying for it are all different things.
Joel Send a noteboard - 31/08/2011 03:39:30 PM
I'm all for socialized healthcare, and I think for-profit business does not belong in a lot of areas, and it screws a lot of people over big time. But, when my family was in dire straits and needed help, we were able to get care.
1 year after coming to America, my dad slipped and fell, getting a complex fracture on his leg. Didn't have health insurance, didn't have money. Still, he had surgery immediately and was fine a year later. When we went to pay the bill several years later (the owner of the building where he fell paid up), the medical bill had been paid by a charity.
When I needed expensive prescription meds, I was able to get Medicaid, even being a single adult.
Now I know that it doesn't work out nearly so nicely for a lot of people, and the fact that we live in a blue state generous with its benefits helps too. Still, you can't say healthcare in America is awful. It probably works well enough for the majority.
1 year after coming to America, my dad slipped and fell, getting a complex fracture on his leg. Didn't have health insurance, didn't have money. Still, he had surgery immediately and was fine a year later. When we went to pay the bill several years later (the owner of the building where he fell paid up), the medical bill had been paid by a charity.
When I needed expensive prescription meds, I was able to get Medicaid, even being a single adult.
Now I know that it doesn't work out nearly so nicely for a lot of people, and the fact that we live in a blue state generous with its benefits helps too. Still, you can't say healthcare in America is awful. It probably works well enough for the majority.
To say my experiences with TX healthcare were VERY different than rts would be an understatement; I don't think many people walk around with appendicitis for two freaking years in places with "quality" healthcare. When I finally did get properly diagnosed and an intern removed my appendix while med students watched and I suspect the county hospital committed fraud to get paid by the state. A hospital ER can't legally refuse to treat sick people, but they can and do examine them, tell them there's nothing wrong and send them on their way with an aspirin. It's hard to do that with a compound fracture (unless they just WANT to be sued) but I recall a thread back on wotmania about a guy who came to the ER having a heart attack, was told he was fine when they found out he didn't have insurance, then died in the parking lot. Then there are the routine cases where even people WITH insurance can't get care because their insurer decides it's unnecessary (i.e. they don't want to pay for it), even when refusing treatment kills them (surprising medical research shows you need a liver to live.)
If you're obviously sick enough turning you away might prompt a costly lawsuit, you'll probably get care, but the cost may bankrupt you. Of course, you can always blow off medical debts you can't pay and there's not much creditors can do about it. A lot of people go that route, so decent people who try to responsibly pay their high healthcare costs get screwed and ACTUAL deadbeats walk away, further increasing healthcare costs already skyrocketing at an alarming rate (that's the real threat to Medicare and long term federal solvency, as you may know). It's a good system if you can afford it, but if not it gets very dicey very fast, with many people forced to weigh living on the street against living (hence the stat about medical debt causing 50% of 2008 bankruptcies, in many cases DESPITE insurance).
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This message last edited by Joel on 31/08/2011 at 03:40:30 PM
The world's top ten and worst ten most livable cities
- 30/08/2011 07:06:50 PM
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How do you call towns "cities"?
- 30/08/2011 08:12:27 PM
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I thought you were going to mention Perth. The rest are clearly cities, if you ask me.
- 30/08/2011 08:23:33 PM
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Perth has 1.7 million people.
- 30/08/2011 08:30:26 PM
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A million people isn't a city?
- 30/08/2011 08:28:20 PM
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Not necessarily.
- 30/08/2011 10:49:08 PM
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Re: Not necessarily.
- 30/08/2011 11:56:20 PM
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to meet their definition of best it also seems to help if you have mostly white
- 31/08/2011 01:52:11 PM
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Have you been to Toronto or Vancouver ?
- 31/08/2011 04:02:01 PM
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no but I have the internet and they meet the ethnic description I gave
- 31/08/2011 05:25:40 PM
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Yeah, I'm sorry, but you're fairly off with that one.
- 31/08/2011 04:52:25 PM
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OK you did see where I included Asians didn't you and I would call less than 2% significant
- 31/08/2011 05:31:45 PM
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As a comparison ...
- 30/08/2011 08:37:28 PM
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weather is a factor and three Canadian cities made the top ten?
- 30/08/2011 09:22:32 PM
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Vancouver at least has a nice climate.
- 30/08/2011 09:40:31 PM
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yeah there are not vey many US cities I would want to raise kids in
- 30/08/2011 11:16:52 PM
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Quality health care in the US, really?
- 31/08/2011 12:27:41 AM
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Also,
- 31/08/2011 12:53:00 PM
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no it works out that nicely for most people
- 31/08/2011 01:36:13 PM
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Getting care, getting timely care, getting quality care and paying for it are all different things.
- 31/08/2011 03:39:30 PM
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tha tis becuase the hospital is run by republicans and they were out to get you *NM*
- 31/08/2011 07:37:47 PM
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Livability obviously doesn't include "Concentration of Venomous Creatures". *NM*
- 30/08/2011 11:43:43 PM
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or perhaps Australian cities rank so high because they're so much better than the alternative
- 30/08/2011 11:58:47 PM
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Actually, the reason our cities are so liveable is because they're built to keep said creatures out
- 31/08/2011 12:59:01 AM
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How?
- 31/08/2011 08:20:01 AM
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I can't risk putting the answer on a public forum, the venomous creatures may find out
- 01/09/2011 07:26:52 AM
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Why no Boston?
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- 31/08/2011 12:16:28 AM
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- 31/08/2011 12:16:28 AM
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Annoyingness of local sports fans was also taken into consideration. *NM*
- 31/08/2011 12:31:21 AM
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Obviously the study group consists of Yankees fans. Poor, unfortunate souls.
*NM*
- 31/08/2011 12:46:17 AM
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*NM*
- 31/08/2011 12:46:17 AM
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A low population density seems to be a key determinant in these rankings
- 31/08/2011 12:51:45 AM
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There is an obvious mistake
- 31/08/2011 03:07:31 AM
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- 31/08/2011 03:07:31 AM
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