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We don't use petroleum in most rockets and never have used them much Isaac Send a noteboard - 14/09/2011 10:53:14 PM
... that the rocket will rely mostly on liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen fuels. Those don't sound like petroleum to me, but I don't really know much about them to be honest. But I would imagine that the lift-off fuel would indeed be likely to limit the mass that can be carried.


Petroleum is a good fuel because it stores well, burns well and simply, and is plentiful, while it is much better than ethanol in terms of energy per unit mass it isn't the peak and is somewhat false in that respect... you don't really get 3-4 miles off a pound of gasoline, you get 3-4 miles off a pound of gasoline and a pound of oxygen. Hydrogen gets about 140 Megajoueles per kilogram whereas most petroleum products do about 40-50 MJ/kg, Fat comes in around 40 MJ/kg itself, firewood, carbs, protein all come in around 20 MJ/kg, batteries tend to do about 2-10 MJ/kg... gunpowder is actually only around 3 MJ/kg but is handy because it burns very, very fast... uranium is 20,000,000 MJ/kg, fusion does a good deal better and anti-matter 180,000,000,000 MJ/kg

I mention gunpowder because it's not just energy per mass but also for many applications how fast that energy get's released... for a gun, we don't really care that the powder is piss poor in strength we care about it's ability to turn from solid to gas in a very short time compared to, say, alcohol, oil, or firewood. TNT itself is only 4 MJ/kg and most explosives are similarly sucky.

As for why it's a gigantic space cylinder, I would imagine that's because that basic design is the most efficient and aerodynamic for pushing an object into space and breaking the planet's gravitational pull? What would you like to see instead? (That's not snarky, I'm just curious what you think would work better. :) )


No, a cylinder's more efficient for getting a symmetric burn on rocket fuel and there's only so many shapes that are structural sound and minimize the mass/surface area of an object. That's about the only reason rockets tend to be cylindrical.

But yes, it is disappointing that we've progressed so relatively little over the last 40 years when it comes to spaceflight, a snail's pace compared to other technological areas. But I find it encouraging that they still see Mars as their goal, and seem to feel that it's reachable by 2030. Even if that probably means 2040 or later in reality. I'm happy that there is any progress toward that goal, even if it's slower than it should be.


That's like saying knife or kettle technology has increased at a snail's pace. Rocket's are comparatively simple devices, just like guns or cars or knives they are so immediately practical that once you have them you max out the design pretty quickly because it's important. Radio hasn't improved much since it was invented either, just minor tweaks or taking advantage of computers.
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