Washington Teachers refuse Judge order to return to work.
Dannymac Send a noteboard - 19/09/2011 11:05:13 PM
This is the real rub, I suspect, in all the legislation going down concerning the right to collective bargaining by public employees. In the end, you can't FORCE them to work, and at least in the case of teachers, they are not easy to replace.
It will be very interesting to see how this goes down. It's possible they'll all be fired, but replacing an entire school district is no easy task, and the performance of the school will suffer in any case... for the first few months at least, it will be like having a school FULL of substitute teachers.
So pass the laws you want... people with strong enough convictions can still make their voices heard. Funny how this sort of thing comes up every time one group of people tries to vote, or rule, on what specific rights another group of people is allowed to have.
The teachers may well lose this round... but they seem willing to pay the consequences if they do, and you have to respect them for sticking to their guns, even in the current political climate concerning Public Unions.
Interesting Economic Sidenote- Suppose, for a second, that the Court orders the district to fire the teachers, as the judge is considering. That is a lot of positions to fill. Such a large, sudden draw on the available teachers is essentially a raise in demand, and the effect would surely touch other areas as well, which could lead to pay raises for teachers simply due to issues of supply/demand.
Have the teachers in question created a win/win situation, if not for themselves, then for their profession?
It will be very interesting to see how this goes down. It's possible they'll all be fired, but replacing an entire school district is no easy task, and the performance of the school will suffer in any case... for the first few months at least, it will be like having a school FULL of substitute teachers.
So pass the laws you want... people with strong enough convictions can still make their voices heard. Funny how this sort of thing comes up every time one group of people tries to vote, or rule, on what specific rights another group of people is allowed to have.
The teachers may well lose this round... but they seem willing to pay the consequences if they do, and you have to respect them for sticking to their guns, even in the current political climate concerning Public Unions.
Interesting Economic Sidenote- Suppose, for a second, that the Court orders the district to fire the teachers, as the judge is considering. That is a lot of positions to fill. Such a large, sudden draw on the available teachers is essentially a raise in demand, and the effect would surely touch other areas as well, which could lead to pay raises for teachers simply due to issues of supply/demand.
Have the teachers in question created a win/win situation, if not for themselves, then for their profession?
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This message last edited by Dannymac on 19/09/2011 at 11:12:49 PM
Washington Teachers refuse Judge order to return to work.
19/09/2011 11:05:13 PM
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What's the dispute on?
19/09/2011 11:13:24 PM
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Seniority, Class Size, and Salaries.
19/09/2011 11:41:40 PM
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and children have a right to an education.
20/09/2011 12:30:20 AM
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So we ought to pay for it.
20/09/2011 05:48:34 PM
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They aren't solving any problems.
20/09/2011 08:33:22 PM
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Have you heard of another tactic that makes anyone listen?
21/09/2011 12:41:05 AM
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I don't really have any ideas myself. It's not my strong suit (political wrangling, that is)
21/09/2011 01:00:21 AM
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I don't really agree with seniority/tenure as much, but class size...
20/09/2011 07:42:39 PM
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You have to respect people for seeking more money? Seriously?
20/09/2011 12:23:22 AM
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you missed the whole other part where he talks abotu class size and what not
20/09/2011 02:05:12 AM
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Class size is a bullshit argument that teachers' unions push on people.
20/09/2011 03:25:58 AM
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You don't get to use the "Think of the Children" argument... it belongs to the teachers.
20/09/2011 05:52:36 PM
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You don't mean DC, right? I'm roommates with a DC teacher, I feel like I would have noticed
20/09/2011 01:02:00 AM
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seriously. if you break it down hourly...
20/09/2011 01:48:40 AM
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Eh... I'm more union-friendly than most, but teachers' unions are pretty terrible. *NM*
20/09/2011 06:11:09 AM
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I agree they have a lot of "stuff," but I don't think much of it is unwarranted
20/09/2011 02:30:35 PM
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being anti-teacher's union is not the same as being anti-teacher
20/09/2011 03:32:57 PM
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That is similar to claiming to be pro-soldier and cutting the VA.
20/09/2011 06:03:29 PM
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Do you have facts about how teachers are rated?
20/09/2011 08:08:04 PM
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well teachers are rated differently in different systems
20/09/2011 09:23:43 PM
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there are some really shitty charter schools too.
20/09/2011 09:36:42 PM
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and they need to learn form the charter schools that are doing well
20/09/2011 10:06:19 PM
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well there's some problems there
21/09/2011 12:20:27 AM
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I've little sympathy here
20/09/2011 03:08:58 AM
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I have no sympathy whatsoever.
20/09/2011 03:26:29 AM
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Oooh, Cancer is a horrible disease that spreads wildly and kills you!
20/09/2011 06:04:53 PM
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Public sector unions need to be banned
20/09/2011 04:30:00 AM
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+1, as per FDR and union leaders of that time, public unions are asking for trouble/problems. *NM*
20/09/2011 06:52:37 PM
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No, they need to be replaced.
20/09/2011 09:05:52 PM
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no they breed corruption and need to at the minimum be barred from political donations and strikes
20/09/2011 09:51:38 PM
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Fired them all, hire new teachers, end of problem..... *NM*
20/09/2011 06:51:01 PM
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You missed the memo.
20/09/2011 09:45:55 PM
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I would bet a lot of them will show up for the hire back interviews *NM*
20/09/2011 10:07:05 PM
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+1, a huge number of them will come crawling back for jobs. *NM*
20/09/2011 10:11:09 PM
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