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I've little sympathy here Isaac Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 03:08:58 AM
From what I've seen, there are 28,000 students at home right now and either 1600 or 1900 teachers on strike, different articles give different values but 1900 seems the more common. Just using the basic math they teach, 28000/1900 is just under 14.8 and 28000/1600 is 17.5 students per teacher. I've difficulty seeing how class size could be an issue. For that matter data says Washington is ranked 12th now and was 13th before that in teacher salary and benefits rankings, and every piece of data for them I've been able to look at seems to place them at normal or better than national averages, nor is Washington and especially rich or expensive state, though it's decently above the average. I can't see an obvious cause to justify a strike, which I gather has been challenged some 19 times in that state and ruled illegal each time. They have no legal right to strike, and while its not as bad as an emergency group doing it like police, docs, or soldiers it is clearly against the law and decidedly f'd up, the kids won't suffer much IMO from missing a week or two of classes but a lot of parents rely on the schools their taxes pay for to provide daycare not just education. I don't see much to justify this strike.
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Washington Teachers refuse Judge order to return to work. - 19/09/2011 11:05:13 PM 762 Views
What's the dispute on? - 19/09/2011 11:13:24 PM 593 Views
Seniority, Class Size, and Salaries. - 19/09/2011 11:41:40 PM 499 Views
and children have a right to an education. - 20/09/2011 12:30:20 AM 440 Views
So we ought to pay for it. - 20/09/2011 05:48:34 PM 423 Views
They aren't solving any problems. - 20/09/2011 08:33:22 PM 743 Views
I don't really agree with seniority/tenure as much, but class size... - 20/09/2011 07:42:39 PM 515 Views
That doesn't really tell me anything, you do realize. - 20/09/2011 08:41:50 PM 409 Views
You have to respect people for seeking more money? Seriously? - 20/09/2011 12:23:22 AM 513 Views
You don't get to use the "Think of the Children" argument... it belongs to the teachers. - 20/09/2011 05:52:36 PM 405 Views
I don't want them to do their job. Can I stop paying? - 21/09/2011 12:30:24 AM 674 Views
teachers don't only work 9 months of the year. - 21/09/2011 12:51:57 AM 586 Views
please stop with the poor underpaid teacher song - 21/09/2011 12:59:09 AM 411 Views
You don't mean DC, right? I'm roommates with a DC teacher, I feel like I would have noticed - 20/09/2011 01:02:00 AM 612 Views
seriously. if you break it down hourly... - 20/09/2011 01:48:40 AM 505 Views
Eh... I'm more union-friendly than most, but teachers' unions are pretty terrible. *NM* - 20/09/2011 06:11:09 AM 206 Views
I don't disagree *NM* - 20/09/2011 02:11:14 PM 205 Views
I agree they have a lot of "stuff," but I don't think much of it is unwarranted - 20/09/2011 02:30:35 PM 519 Views
being anti-teacher's union is not the same as being anti-teacher - 20/09/2011 03:32:57 PM 568 Views
That is similar to claiming to be pro-soldier and cutting the VA. - 20/09/2011 06:03:29 PM 550 Views
then the focus needs to be on finding an alternative. - 20/09/2011 06:36:42 PM 582 Views
I agree. - 20/09/2011 08:45:36 PM 446 Views
of please - 20/09/2011 06:56:04 PM 459 Views
You still don't get it, do you? - 20/09/2011 08:57:52 PM 559 Views
Do you have facts about how teachers are rated? - 20/09/2011 08:08:04 PM 539 Views
well teachers are rated differently in different systems - 20/09/2011 09:23:43 PM 609 Views
there are some really shitty charter schools too. - 20/09/2011 09:36:42 PM 431 Views
and they need to learn form the charter schools that are doing well - 20/09/2011 10:06:19 PM 533 Views
well there's some problems there - 21/09/2011 12:20:27 AM 529 Views
yes there is no perfect system just trade offs and choices - 21/09/2011 03:04:01 AM 623 Views
I agree with you - 21/09/2011 03:17:40 AM 621 Views
I've little sympathy here - 20/09/2011 03:08:58 AM 569 Views
I have no sympathy whatsoever. - 20/09/2011 03:26:29 AM 403 Views
I don't agree with all your opinions on schools... - 20/09/2011 04:21:01 AM 505 Views
Oooh, Cancer is a horrible disease that spreads wildly and kills you! - 20/09/2011 06:04:53 PM 522 Views
okay, except that those unions do the same thing. - 20/09/2011 06:39:27 PM 627 Views
Public sector unions need to be banned - 20/09/2011 04:30:00 AM 577 Views
No, they need to be replaced. - 20/09/2011 09:05:52 PM 377 Views
no they breed corruption and need to at the minimum be barred from political donations and strikes - 20/09/2011 09:51:38 PM 589 Views
The small government guy needs to ask? - 21/09/2011 12:39:05 AM 374 Views
the government guy has no answer *NM* - 21/09/2011 03:05:14 AM 315 Views
Good for them. - 20/09/2011 06:33:27 AM 591 Views
Fired them all, hire new teachers, end of problem..... *NM* - 20/09/2011 06:51:01 PM 220 Views
You missed the memo. - 20/09/2011 09:45:55 PM 453 Views
I would bet a lot of them will show up for the hire back interviews *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:07:05 PM 202 Views
+1, a huge number of them will come crawling back for jobs. *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:11:09 PM 233 Views
That does make sure of getting the best and most able.... *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:52:32 PM 197 Views
lol. youre funny. I like you. *NM* - 20/09/2011 11:01:10 PM 181 Views

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