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I've little sympathy here Isaac Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 03:08:58 AM
From what I've seen, there are 28,000 students at home right now and either 1600 or 1900 teachers on strike, different articles give different values but 1900 seems the more common. Just using the basic math they teach, 28000/1900 is just under 14.8 and 28000/1600 is 17.5 students per teacher. I've difficulty seeing how class size could be an issue. For that matter data says Washington is ranked 12th now and was 13th before that in teacher salary and benefits rankings, and every piece of data for them I've been able to look at seems to place them at normal or better than national averages, nor is Washington and especially rich or expensive state, though it's decently above the average. I can't see an obvious cause to justify a strike, which I gather has been challenged some 19 times in that state and ruled illegal each time. They have no legal right to strike, and while its not as bad as an emergency group doing it like police, docs, or soldiers it is clearly against the law and decidedly f'd up, the kids won't suffer much IMO from missing a week or two of classes but a lot of parents rely on the schools their taxes pay for to provide daycare not just education. I don't see much to justify this strike.
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Washington Teachers refuse Judge order to return to work. - 19/09/2011 11:05:13 PM 885 Views
What's the dispute on? - 19/09/2011 11:13:24 PM 704 Views
Seniority, Class Size, and Salaries. - 19/09/2011 11:41:40 PM 619 Views
and children have a right to an education. - 20/09/2011 12:30:20 AM 570 Views
So we ought to pay for it. - 20/09/2011 05:48:34 PM 539 Views
They aren't solving any problems. - 20/09/2011 08:33:22 PM 861 Views
I don't really agree with seniority/tenure as much, but class size... - 20/09/2011 07:42:39 PM 648 Views
That doesn't really tell me anything, you do realize. - 20/09/2011 08:41:50 PM 530 Views
You have to respect people for seeking more money? Seriously? - 20/09/2011 12:23:22 AM 646 Views
You don't get to use the "Think of the Children" argument... it belongs to the teachers. - 20/09/2011 05:52:36 PM 520 Views
I don't want them to do their job. Can I stop paying? - 21/09/2011 12:30:24 AM 793 Views
teachers don't only work 9 months of the year. - 21/09/2011 12:51:57 AM 699 Views
please stop with the poor underpaid teacher song - 21/09/2011 12:59:09 AM 528 Views
You don't mean DC, right? I'm roommates with a DC teacher, I feel like I would have noticed - 20/09/2011 01:02:00 AM 748 Views
seriously. if you break it down hourly... - 20/09/2011 01:48:40 AM 630 Views
Eh... I'm more union-friendly than most, but teachers' unions are pretty terrible. *NM* - 20/09/2011 06:11:09 AM 262 Views
I don't disagree *NM* - 20/09/2011 02:11:14 PM 267 Views
I agree they have a lot of "stuff," but I don't think much of it is unwarranted - 20/09/2011 02:30:35 PM 662 Views
being anti-teacher's union is not the same as being anti-teacher - 20/09/2011 03:32:57 PM 704 Views
That is similar to claiming to be pro-soldier and cutting the VA. - 20/09/2011 06:03:29 PM 671 Views
then the focus needs to be on finding an alternative. - 20/09/2011 06:36:42 PM 695 Views
I agree. - 20/09/2011 08:45:36 PM 571 Views
of please - 20/09/2011 06:56:04 PM 580 Views
You still don't get it, do you? - 20/09/2011 08:57:52 PM 684 Views
Do you have facts about how teachers are rated? - 20/09/2011 08:08:04 PM 668 Views
well teachers are rated differently in different systems - 20/09/2011 09:23:43 PM 724 Views
there are some really shitty charter schools too. - 20/09/2011 09:36:42 PM 559 Views
and they need to learn form the charter schools that are doing well - 20/09/2011 10:06:19 PM 653 Views
well there's some problems there - 21/09/2011 12:20:27 AM 644 Views
yes there is no perfect system just trade offs and choices - 21/09/2011 03:04:01 AM 763 Views
I agree with you - 21/09/2011 03:17:40 AM 738 Views
I've little sympathy here - 20/09/2011 03:08:58 AM 700 Views
I have no sympathy whatsoever. - 20/09/2011 03:26:29 AM 517 Views
I don't agree with all your opinions on schools... - 20/09/2011 04:21:01 AM 633 Views
Oooh, Cancer is a horrible disease that spreads wildly and kills you! - 20/09/2011 06:04:53 PM 647 Views
okay, except that those unions do the same thing. - 20/09/2011 06:39:27 PM 751 Views
Public sector unions need to be banned - 20/09/2011 04:30:00 AM 698 Views
No, they need to be replaced. - 20/09/2011 09:05:52 PM 495 Views
no they breed corruption and need to at the minimum be barred from political donations and strikes - 20/09/2011 09:51:38 PM 700 Views
The small government guy needs to ask? - 21/09/2011 12:39:05 AM 486 Views
the government guy has no answer *NM* - 21/09/2011 03:05:14 AM 374 Views
Good for them. - 20/09/2011 06:33:27 AM 717 Views
Fired them all, hire new teachers, end of problem..... *NM* - 20/09/2011 06:51:01 PM 277 Views
You missed the memo. - 20/09/2011 09:45:55 PM 592 Views
I would bet a lot of them will show up for the hire back interviews *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:07:05 PM 262 Views
+1, a huge number of them will come crawling back for jobs. *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:11:09 PM 293 Views
That does make sure of getting the best and most able.... *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:52:32 PM 258 Views
lol. youre funny. I like you. *NM* - 20/09/2011 11:01:10 PM 244 Views

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