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I agree they have a lot of "stuff," but I don't think much of it is unwarranted beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 02:30:35 PM
As we've seen, people are quick to blame teachers.

It's definitely not just when politicians want to create a union debate, either. Parents are willing to blame teachers and school districts at the drop of a hat. Non-parent adults are always a bit resentful of school districts, because they pay all this school tax to something that is seemingly irrelevant to them.

Many school districts have tons and tons of strict regulations governing teacher-student interactions- how they can communicate, if they can be in a room alone together, accepting gifts, and so on.

It's like there's this paranoia- they must have some angle to want to be teachers. Whether it's the summers off, the tenure, or maybe they're secretly a pedophile.

Added to this latent hostility is the fact that... well... how exactly do you judge a teacher? No one seems to have come up with an effective way. I have another teacher friend who teaches 4th grade. One of the things she's judged on is if her students read at a 4th grade level by the end of the school yea4. Which would be fine, if they all came in at a 3rd grade level. But she teaches in a lower-class area, and most of them are 2nd grade level, at best. (I'm generalizing, apparently the gradations of reading level are much finer at that age, who knew? But the point is the same)

What about attendance? Teachers can get graded on that, but they have absolutely no control over that. Same with homework.

Then you have the various standardized tests, which are fine in theory, but you have national tests, state tests, county tests, and they all teach different things, making it difficult to focus on any particular curriculum.

So there's all that. And then, in an amusing flip, sometimes there's NO standardization. So they'll say, "make your kids able to read. Go." And the teacher will use whatever methods he sees best, which is fine, but definitely makes grading teachers tough.



The point of this rambling post is that the teacher's unions have a lot of things like tenure, raises at certain guaranteed milestones, and the like because they know that they're often a scapegoat, and that it's tough to accurately grade them. All it takes is a new state governor to say, "Well, we're grading teachers on how well their kids speak proper English this year," and all the kids with parents who can't speak would have their teachers pay docked.

Teachers are important, but they don't have anywhere near the amount of influence and control over students that we assume they do. Parents, friends, school life outside of the classroom, all have a huge effect on education that the teacher can rarely affect.
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Washington Teachers refuse Judge order to return to work. - 19/09/2011 11:05:13 PM 807 Views
What's the dispute on? - 19/09/2011 11:13:24 PM 632 Views
Seniority, Class Size, and Salaries. - 19/09/2011 11:41:40 PM 547 Views
and children have a right to an education. - 20/09/2011 12:30:20 AM 487 Views
So we ought to pay for it. - 20/09/2011 05:48:34 PM 473 Views
They aren't solving any problems. - 20/09/2011 08:33:22 PM 793 Views
I don't really agree with seniority/tenure as much, but class size... - 20/09/2011 07:42:39 PM 563 Views
That doesn't really tell me anything, you do realize. - 20/09/2011 08:41:50 PM 451 Views
You have to respect people for seeking more money? Seriously? - 20/09/2011 12:23:22 AM 562 Views
You don't get to use the "Think of the Children" argument... it belongs to the teachers. - 20/09/2011 05:52:36 PM 447 Views
I don't want them to do their job. Can I stop paying? - 21/09/2011 12:30:24 AM 718 Views
teachers don't only work 9 months of the year. - 21/09/2011 12:51:57 AM 626 Views
please stop with the poor underpaid teacher song - 21/09/2011 12:59:09 AM 455 Views
You don't mean DC, right? I'm roommates with a DC teacher, I feel like I would have noticed - 20/09/2011 01:02:00 AM 665 Views
seriously. if you break it down hourly... - 20/09/2011 01:48:40 AM 552 Views
Eh... I'm more union-friendly than most, but teachers' unions are pretty terrible. *NM* - 20/09/2011 06:11:09 AM 225 Views
I don't disagree *NM* - 20/09/2011 02:11:14 PM 223 Views
I agree they have a lot of "stuff," but I don't think much of it is unwarranted - 20/09/2011 02:30:35 PM 580 Views
being anti-teacher's union is not the same as being anti-teacher - 20/09/2011 03:32:57 PM 624 Views
That is similar to claiming to be pro-soldier and cutting the VA. - 20/09/2011 06:03:29 PM 597 Views
then the focus needs to be on finding an alternative. - 20/09/2011 06:36:42 PM 624 Views
I agree. - 20/09/2011 08:45:36 PM 493 Views
of please - 20/09/2011 06:56:04 PM 505 Views
You still don't get it, do you? - 20/09/2011 08:57:52 PM 605 Views
Do you have facts about how teachers are rated? - 20/09/2011 08:08:04 PM 584 Views
well teachers are rated differently in different systems - 20/09/2011 09:23:43 PM 649 Views
there are some really shitty charter schools too. - 20/09/2011 09:36:42 PM 471 Views
and they need to learn form the charter schools that are doing well - 20/09/2011 10:06:19 PM 579 Views
well there's some problems there - 21/09/2011 12:20:27 AM 570 Views
yes there is no perfect system just trade offs and choices - 21/09/2011 03:04:01 AM 680 Views
I agree with you - 21/09/2011 03:17:40 AM 667 Views
I've little sympathy here - 20/09/2011 03:08:58 AM 619 Views
I have no sympathy whatsoever. - 20/09/2011 03:26:29 AM 443 Views
I don't agree with all your opinions on schools... - 20/09/2011 04:21:01 AM 555 Views
Oooh, Cancer is a horrible disease that spreads wildly and kills you! - 20/09/2011 06:04:53 PM 566 Views
okay, except that those unions do the same thing. - 20/09/2011 06:39:27 PM 672 Views
Public sector unions need to be banned - 20/09/2011 04:30:00 AM 621 Views
No, they need to be replaced. - 20/09/2011 09:05:52 PM 421 Views
no they breed corruption and need to at the minimum be barred from political donations and strikes - 20/09/2011 09:51:38 PM 628 Views
The small government guy needs to ask? - 21/09/2011 12:39:05 AM 422 Views
the government guy has no answer *NM* - 21/09/2011 03:05:14 AM 335 Views
Good for them. - 20/09/2011 06:33:27 AM 642 Views
Fired them all, hire new teachers, end of problem..... *NM* - 20/09/2011 06:51:01 PM 240 Views
You missed the memo. - 20/09/2011 09:45:55 PM 506 Views
I would bet a lot of them will show up for the hire back interviews *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:07:05 PM 220 Views
+1, a huge number of them will come crawling back for jobs. *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:11:09 PM 255 Views
That does make sure of getting the best and most able.... *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:52:32 PM 219 Views
lol. youre funny. I like you. *NM* - 20/09/2011 11:01:10 PM 200 Views

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