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being anti-teacher's union is not the same as being anti-teacher random thoughts Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 03:32:57 PM
You can come up with a list of bad things that might happen if teachers didn't have unions but it only only takes a tiny bit of research to see that laundry list of bad things that are happening because of them. I am ant-teacher's union but pro-teacher. My wife and I both volunteer at my daughter's school, we help purchase supplies for her classroom, the teacher even does things like send home 35 pencil and a sharpener and ask to have 35 sharpened pencils returned the next day. I love my daughter's teacher and I think she should be rewarded for the excellent job she does teaching my child and not simply because she has been there more than two years. She should be paid better and have better job security than less qualified and motivated teachers.

And sorry I believe the majority of schools rate teachers are how well students advance and not on how well they did. If you are teaching 4th grade and students come in reading reading at a second grade level then you are evaluated on how much those students advance compared to other students in other classroom at the school. So if they leave at the third grade level you did OK, if they leave at the fourth grade level did an excellent job and should be rewarded but if they leave still reading at the second grade level you should be evaluated and either change very quickly or be fired without the school needing to hire a lawyer or pay you for five years while they wait for hearings. And it should be quick, you shouldn't be able to be a piss poor teacher for hundreds of students before they replace you. If the principle doesn't think you are doing the job he or she should be able to replace you in the middle of the school year. Just like in the real world.

Some teachers consistently have students fall behind in their classrooms and the school can do nothing because of unions. One of the best things they could to improve schools is empower principles to promote good teachers and fire bad ones then fire principles who can't improve their schools. The removal of accountability is one off the reasons government is so dysfunctional. Schools are set up to educate students and that not protecting jobs for adults needs to the priority.
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Washington Teachers refuse Judge order to return to work. - 19/09/2011 11:05:13 PM 783 Views
What's the dispute on? - 19/09/2011 11:13:24 PM 615 Views
Seniority, Class Size, and Salaries. - 19/09/2011 11:41:40 PM 523 Views
and children have a right to an education. - 20/09/2011 12:30:20 AM 463 Views
So we ought to pay for it. - 20/09/2011 05:48:34 PM 449 Views
They aren't solving any problems. - 20/09/2011 08:33:22 PM 767 Views
I don't really agree with seniority/tenure as much, but class size... - 20/09/2011 07:42:39 PM 536 Views
That doesn't really tell me anything, you do realize. - 20/09/2011 08:41:50 PM 428 Views
You have to respect people for seeking more money? Seriously? - 20/09/2011 12:23:22 AM 538 Views
You don't get to use the "Think of the Children" argument... it belongs to the teachers. - 20/09/2011 05:52:36 PM 424 Views
I don't want them to do their job. Can I stop paying? - 21/09/2011 12:30:24 AM 694 Views
teachers don't only work 9 months of the year. - 21/09/2011 12:51:57 AM 606 Views
please stop with the poor underpaid teacher song - 21/09/2011 12:59:09 AM 434 Views
You don't mean DC, right? I'm roommates with a DC teacher, I feel like I would have noticed - 20/09/2011 01:02:00 AM 641 Views
seriously. if you break it down hourly... - 20/09/2011 01:48:40 AM 528 Views
Eh... I'm more union-friendly than most, but teachers' unions are pretty terrible. *NM* - 20/09/2011 06:11:09 AM 215 Views
I don't disagree *NM* - 20/09/2011 02:11:14 PM 212 Views
I agree they have a lot of "stuff," but I don't think much of it is unwarranted - 20/09/2011 02:30:35 PM 543 Views
being anti-teacher's union is not the same as being anti-teacher - 20/09/2011 03:32:57 PM 595 Views
That is similar to claiming to be pro-soldier and cutting the VA. - 20/09/2011 06:03:29 PM 576 Views
then the focus needs to be on finding an alternative. - 20/09/2011 06:36:42 PM 602 Views
I agree. - 20/09/2011 08:45:36 PM 468 Views
of please - 20/09/2011 06:56:04 PM 484 Views
You still don't get it, do you? - 20/09/2011 08:57:52 PM 581 Views
Do you have facts about how teachers are rated? - 20/09/2011 08:08:04 PM 563 Views
well teachers are rated differently in different systems - 20/09/2011 09:23:43 PM 631 Views
there are some really shitty charter schools too. - 20/09/2011 09:36:42 PM 452 Views
and they need to learn form the charter schools that are doing well - 20/09/2011 10:06:19 PM 558 Views
well there's some problems there - 21/09/2011 12:20:27 AM 549 Views
yes there is no perfect system just trade offs and choices - 21/09/2011 03:04:01 AM 644 Views
I agree with you - 21/09/2011 03:17:40 AM 644 Views
I've little sympathy here - 20/09/2011 03:08:58 AM 594 Views
I have no sympathy whatsoever. - 20/09/2011 03:26:29 AM 422 Views
I don't agree with all your opinions on schools... - 20/09/2011 04:21:01 AM 531 Views
Oooh, Cancer is a horrible disease that spreads wildly and kills you! - 20/09/2011 06:04:53 PM 543 Views
okay, except that those unions do the same thing. - 20/09/2011 06:39:27 PM 649 Views
Public sector unions need to be banned - 20/09/2011 04:30:00 AM 602 Views
No, they need to be replaced. - 20/09/2011 09:05:52 PM 401 Views
no they breed corruption and need to at the minimum be barred from political donations and strikes - 20/09/2011 09:51:38 PM 609 Views
The small government guy needs to ask? - 21/09/2011 12:39:05 AM 400 Views
the government guy has no answer *NM* - 21/09/2011 03:05:14 AM 322 Views
Good for them. - 20/09/2011 06:33:27 AM 618 Views
Fired them all, hire new teachers, end of problem..... *NM* - 20/09/2011 06:51:01 PM 230 Views
You missed the memo. - 20/09/2011 09:45:55 PM 483 Views
I would bet a lot of them will show up for the hire back interviews *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:07:05 PM 210 Views
+1, a huge number of them will come crawling back for jobs. *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:11:09 PM 243 Views
That does make sure of getting the best and most able.... *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:52:32 PM 207 Views
lol. youre funny. I like you. *NM* - 20/09/2011 11:01:10 PM 188 Views

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