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no they breed corruption and need to at the minimum be barred from political donations and strikes random thoughts Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 09:51:38 PM
Do you have any actual argument for why public sector workers need union protection whne most of the country does fine wthout it? Why one small group should be able say "give me everything I want or I will shut your city down". Why should citizens be forced to pay for benefits for the protected civil servants that are far in excess of what they receive and then not even be able to fire them without a judge being involved? Simply because someone decided that public sector workers have the right to extortion? Why should we suffer all the ills of public sector unions from bought off politicians negotiating union contracts to workers who cannot be fired out of the child like fear that someone may be treated unfairly? So what? People are treated unfairly all the time and they deal with it. Teachers and other public sectors workers don't need to coddled and protected at the expense of the people who rely on them.

Another method? Charter schools are showing us how affective the free market system is. Socialism may give you the impression of level playing field but it damn sure isn't giving us results.
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Washington Teachers refuse Judge order to return to work. - 19/09/2011 11:05:13 PM 887 Views
What's the dispute on? - 19/09/2011 11:13:24 PM 706 Views
Seniority, Class Size, and Salaries. - 19/09/2011 11:41:40 PM 621 Views
and children have a right to an education. - 20/09/2011 12:30:20 AM 571 Views
So we ought to pay for it. - 20/09/2011 05:48:34 PM 539 Views
They aren't solving any problems. - 20/09/2011 08:33:22 PM 863 Views
I don't really agree with seniority/tenure as much, but class size... - 20/09/2011 07:42:39 PM 649 Views
That doesn't really tell me anything, you do realize. - 20/09/2011 08:41:50 PM 531 Views
You have to respect people for seeking more money? Seriously? - 20/09/2011 12:23:22 AM 647 Views
You don't get to use the "Think of the Children" argument... it belongs to the teachers. - 20/09/2011 05:52:36 PM 521 Views
I don't want them to do their job. Can I stop paying? - 21/09/2011 12:30:24 AM 795 Views
teachers don't only work 9 months of the year. - 21/09/2011 12:51:57 AM 700 Views
please stop with the poor underpaid teacher song - 21/09/2011 12:59:09 AM 530 Views
You don't mean DC, right? I'm roommates with a DC teacher, I feel like I would have noticed - 20/09/2011 01:02:00 AM 749 Views
seriously. if you break it down hourly... - 20/09/2011 01:48:40 AM 632 Views
Eh... I'm more union-friendly than most, but teachers' unions are pretty terrible. *NM* - 20/09/2011 06:11:09 AM 262 Views
I don't disagree *NM* - 20/09/2011 02:11:14 PM 267 Views
I agree they have a lot of "stuff," but I don't think much of it is unwarranted - 20/09/2011 02:30:35 PM 664 Views
being anti-teacher's union is not the same as being anti-teacher - 20/09/2011 03:32:57 PM 705 Views
That is similar to claiming to be pro-soldier and cutting the VA. - 20/09/2011 06:03:29 PM 672 Views
then the focus needs to be on finding an alternative. - 20/09/2011 06:36:42 PM 695 Views
I agree. - 20/09/2011 08:45:36 PM 573 Views
of please - 20/09/2011 06:56:04 PM 580 Views
You still don't get it, do you? - 20/09/2011 08:57:52 PM 686 Views
Do you have facts about how teachers are rated? - 20/09/2011 08:08:04 PM 670 Views
well teachers are rated differently in different systems - 20/09/2011 09:23:43 PM 725 Views
there are some really shitty charter schools too. - 20/09/2011 09:36:42 PM 561 Views
and they need to learn form the charter schools that are doing well - 20/09/2011 10:06:19 PM 655 Views
well there's some problems there - 21/09/2011 12:20:27 AM 646 Views
yes there is no perfect system just trade offs and choices - 21/09/2011 03:04:01 AM 764 Views
I agree with you - 21/09/2011 03:17:40 AM 739 Views
I've little sympathy here - 20/09/2011 03:08:58 AM 700 Views
I have no sympathy whatsoever. - 20/09/2011 03:26:29 AM 518 Views
I don't agree with all your opinions on schools... - 20/09/2011 04:21:01 AM 633 Views
Oooh, Cancer is a horrible disease that spreads wildly and kills you! - 20/09/2011 06:04:53 PM 648 Views
okay, except that those unions do the same thing. - 20/09/2011 06:39:27 PM 752 Views
Public sector unions need to be banned - 20/09/2011 04:30:00 AM 699 Views
No, they need to be replaced. - 20/09/2011 09:05:52 PM 496 Views
no they breed corruption and need to at the minimum be barred from political donations and strikes - 20/09/2011 09:51:38 PM 702 Views
The small government guy needs to ask? - 21/09/2011 12:39:05 AM 488 Views
the government guy has no answer *NM* - 21/09/2011 03:05:14 AM 374 Views
Good for them. - 20/09/2011 06:33:27 AM 718 Views
Fired them all, hire new teachers, end of problem..... *NM* - 20/09/2011 06:51:01 PM 277 Views
You missed the memo. - 20/09/2011 09:45:55 PM 593 Views
I would bet a lot of them will show up for the hire back interviews *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:07:05 PM 262 Views
+1, a huge number of them will come crawling back for jobs. *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:11:09 PM 293 Views
That does make sure of getting the best and most able.... *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:52:32 PM 258 Views
lol. youre funny. I like you. *NM* - 20/09/2011 11:01:10 PM 244 Views

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