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I'm curious how you distinguish "full socialism" from "full communism." Joel Send a noteboard - 10/10/2011 05:32:53 AM
Particularly since socialism is by nature a hybrid between completely state collective run (i.e. communist) and completely free market (i.e. capitalist) systems. "Full socialism" has a ring much like "radical moderate" to my ear. Sorry if I am getting semantic here, I am just so very tired of hearing people use "socialism" and "communism" interchangeably. Actually, I do not mind them doing it so much as them doing it in such great numbers and otherwise intelligent people listening to them.

Also, saying, "free markets, if operating properly" is one HELL of a qualifier, as I know you are aware. Free markets do not operate properly very long without some degree of government regulation (ideally, democratic or republican, since the alternative was best defined by Mussolini.) At that point we are back to a hybrid system (or fascism but, again, I assume we agree that is undesirable;) if you wish to debate where to strike that balance, I agree that is precisely the proper debate, because communist and laissez-faire economic systems have always and invariably ended horrifically.
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Is communism the true economy of democracies? MrFarstrider - 10/10/2011 01:35:24 AM 856 Views
Sorry, not following this..... trzaska2000 - 10/10/2011 03:33:11 AM 674 Views
Re: Sorry, not following this..... MrFarstrider - 10/10/2011 03:54:45 AM 590 Views
Um, a LOT of places have mixed "free" market and state rule. Joel - 10/10/2011 05:43:49 AM 693 Views
WTF? Canada, Western Europe, and Japan are democracies, not state-rule like China - *NM* trzaska2000 - 10/10/2011 05:53:17 PM 261 Views
Think he means we all have public sector enterprise. Stephen - 10/10/2011 06:24:10 PM 514 Views
Yeah, I thought it was clear as well. Tom - 10/10/2011 06:32:02 PM 561 Views
Yeah, Stephen pretty much covered it. Joel - 11/10/2011 06:10:38 AM 605 Views
They are not similar. MightyYT - 10/10/2011 04:01:59 AM 548 Views
Re: They are not similar. MrFarstrider - 10/10/2011 04:47:26 AM 624 Views
That's why Lenin came up with the soviets, though that was pretty naïve, too. Joel - 10/10/2011 05:54:37 AM 491 Views
Lenin died in 1924. The Civil War was over in 1920. He died after several strokes. *NM* Tom - 10/10/2011 05:30:58 PM 218 Views
Sorry, did not realize he survived it that long. Joel - 11/10/2011 04:21:05 AM 601 Views
There is no evidence that Lenin was poisoned. Tom - 11/10/2011 04:50:28 AM 534 Views
That is hardly the only way to kill; in Lenins condition, neglect would have sufficed. Joel - 11/10/2011 06:28:31 AM 556 Views
Let's see...you're asking if property theft by the state is compatible with freedom? No. Tom - 10/10/2011 04:58:14 AM 528 Views
I'm curious how you distinguish "full socialism" from "full communism." Joel - 10/10/2011 05:32:53 AM 508 Views
You obviously don't understand the definitions of socialism and communism. Tom - 10/10/2011 02:41:39 PM 598 Views
OK, I see what you mean now, thanks. Joel - 11/10/2011 04:29:35 AM 524 Views
In theory, but economics is not politics, making social contracts a bit more dubious. Joel - 10/10/2011 05:18:39 AM 693 Views
No, but socialism is. Dannymac - 10/10/2011 06:09:55 AM 600 Views
No. A thousand times no. Vodalus - 10/10/2011 07:46:22 AM 669 Views
Guess I count myself among those fools, though I pretty much agree with Danny. Joel - 10/10/2011 10:52:11 AM 591 Views
I don't usually answer your scattershot rants, Joel, but you have overextended yourself. Tom - 10/10/2011 05:28:07 PM 613 Views
That still looks like Stalin and Mao rationalizing away the impossibility of their stated goals. Joel - 11/10/2011 05:59:06 AM 660 Views
No time to today, but you're very wrong. Tom - 11/10/2011 02:32:38 PM 518 Views
OK. Joel - 11/10/2011 03:08:17 PM 499 Views
You really should read more about the Soviet Union. Tom - 11/10/2011 03:19:32 PM 589 Views
Not sure it would change my perceptions. Joel - 11/10/2011 03:41:08 PM 503 Views
In a single word: No. A Deathwatch Guard - 11/10/2011 08:26:36 AM 521 Views
Nope, because free-market democracy totally permits communism already Isaac - 12/10/2011 12:50:36 AM 583 Views
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