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I'm curious how you distinguish "full socialism" from "full communism." Joel Send a noteboard - 10/10/2011 05:32:53 AM
Particularly since socialism is by nature a hybrid between completely state collective run (i.e. communist) and completely free market (i.e. capitalist) systems. "Full socialism" has a ring much like "radical moderate" to my ear. Sorry if I am getting semantic here, I am just so very tired of hearing people use "socialism" and "communism" interchangeably. Actually, I do not mind them doing it so much as them doing it in such great numbers and otherwise intelligent people listening to them.

Also, saying, "free markets, if operating properly" is one HELL of a qualifier, as I know you are aware. Free markets do not operate properly very long without some degree of government regulation (ideally, democratic or republican, since the alternative was best defined by Mussolini.) At that point we are back to a hybrid system (or fascism but, again, I assume we agree that is undesirable;) if you wish to debate where to strike that balance, I agree that is precisely the proper debate, because communist and laissez-faire economic systems have always and invariably ended horrifically.
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Is communism the true economy of democracies? MrFarstrider - 10/10/2011 01:35:24 AM 899 Views
Sorry, not following this..... trzaska2000 - 10/10/2011 03:33:11 AM 784 Views
Re: Sorry, not following this..... MrFarstrider - 10/10/2011 03:54:45 AM 631 Views
Um, a LOT of places have mixed "free" market and state rule. Joel - 10/10/2011 05:43:49 AM 737 Views
WTF? Canada, Western Europe, and Japan are democracies, not state-rule like China - *NM* trzaska2000 - 10/10/2011 05:53:17 PM 344 Views
Think he means we all have public sector enterprise. Stephen - 10/10/2011 06:24:10 PM 557 Views
Yeah, I thought it was clear as well. Tom - 10/10/2011 06:32:02 PM 605 Views
Yeah, Stephen pretty much covered it. Joel - 11/10/2011 06:10:38 AM 647 Views
They are not similar. MightyYT - 10/10/2011 04:01:59 AM 588 Views
Re: They are not similar. MrFarstrider - 10/10/2011 04:47:26 AM 667 Views
That's why Lenin came up with the soviets, though that was pretty naïve, too. Joel - 10/10/2011 05:54:37 AM 536 Views
Lenin died in 1924. The Civil War was over in 1920. He died after several strokes. *NM* Tom - 10/10/2011 05:30:58 PM 236 Views
Sorry, did not realize he survived it that long. Joel - 11/10/2011 04:21:05 AM 645 Views
There is no evidence that Lenin was poisoned. Tom - 11/10/2011 04:50:28 AM 580 Views
That is hardly the only way to kill; in Lenins condition, neglect would have sufficed. Joel - 11/10/2011 06:28:31 AM 599 Views
Let's see...you're asking if property theft by the state is compatible with freedom? No. Tom - 10/10/2011 04:58:14 AM 572 Views
I'm curious how you distinguish "full socialism" from "full communism." Joel - 10/10/2011 05:32:53 AM 553 Views
You obviously don't understand the definitions of socialism and communism. Tom - 10/10/2011 02:41:39 PM 642 Views
OK, I see what you mean now, thanks. Joel - 11/10/2011 04:29:35 AM 569 Views
In theory, but economics is not politics, making social contracts a bit more dubious. Joel - 10/10/2011 05:18:39 AM 747 Views
No, but socialism is. Dannymac - 10/10/2011 06:09:55 AM 641 Views
No. A thousand times no. Vodalus - 10/10/2011 07:46:22 AM 707 Views
Guess I count myself among those fools, though I pretty much agree with Danny. Joel - 10/10/2011 10:52:11 AM 638 Views
I don't usually answer your scattershot rants, Joel, but you have overextended yourself. Tom - 10/10/2011 05:28:07 PM 667 Views
That still looks like Stalin and Mao rationalizing away the impossibility of their stated goals. Joel - 11/10/2011 05:59:06 AM 712 Views
No time to today, but you're very wrong. Tom - 11/10/2011 02:32:38 PM 563 Views
OK. Joel - 11/10/2011 03:08:17 PM 541 Views
You really should read more about the Soviet Union. Tom - 11/10/2011 03:19:32 PM 632 Views
Not sure it would change my perceptions. Joel - 11/10/2011 03:41:08 PM 551 Views
In a single word: No. A Deathwatch Guard - 11/10/2011 08:26:36 AM 568 Views
Nope, because free-market democracy totally permits communism already Isaac - 12/10/2011 12:50:36 AM 633 Views
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