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OK. Joel Send a noteboard - 11/10/2011 03:08:17 PM
1. Dictators never believe themselves to be "tsars" or like the people they've replaced. Everything is "different" because they're "doing it for the people" or "for the goals of the revolution". Even true revolutionaries like Lenin and Trotsky did that. Trotsky would have been just as ruthless as Stalin had he come out on top.

They can believe themselves living on animal farm; that does not mean they do, even if people who hate ranches repeat the claim.
2. Mao was certainly a communist. He was also a Marxist, if not traditional. Look at the platform in the Communist Manifesto and ask how many of them Mao tried to implement.

The biggest Marxist goal remains a proletariat dicatorship, to which autocrats like Mao remain fundamentally contradictory.
3. Stalin was certainly a true communist, unlike Hitler. He engaged in effective stratocide, killing nearly everyone who was from noble or bourgeois roots. He collectivized industry and farms. What else did he need to do, short of getting rid of money, to convince you? His implementation of socialism was total and unrelenting.

It would help convince me if he had actually collectivized anything instead of personally and absolutely controlling everything.
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Is communism the true economy of democracies? - 10/10/2011 01:35:24 AM 1023 Views
Sorry, not following this..... - 10/10/2011 03:33:11 AM 915 Views
Re: Sorry, not following this..... - 10/10/2011 03:54:45 AM 765 Views
Um, a LOT of places have mixed "free" market and state rule. - 10/10/2011 05:43:49 AM 872 Views
WTF? Canada, Western Europe, and Japan are democracies, not state-rule like China - *NM* - 10/10/2011 05:53:17 PM 404 Views
Think he means we all have public sector enterprise. - 10/10/2011 06:24:10 PM 698 Views
Yeah, I thought it was clear as well. - 10/10/2011 06:32:02 PM 737 Views
Yeah, Stephen pretty much covered it. - 11/10/2011 06:10:38 AM 773 Views
They are not similar. - 10/10/2011 04:01:59 AM 710 Views
Re: They are not similar. - 10/10/2011 04:47:26 AM 801 Views
No, but socialism is. - 10/10/2011 06:09:55 AM 764 Views
No. A thousand times no. - 10/10/2011 07:46:22 AM 835 Views
Guess I count myself among those fools, though I pretty much agree with Danny. - 10/10/2011 10:52:11 AM 758 Views
I don't usually answer your scattershot rants, Joel, but you have overextended yourself. - 10/10/2011 05:28:07 PM 801 Views
That still looks like Stalin and Mao rationalizing away the impossibility of their stated goals. - 11/10/2011 05:59:06 AM 911 Views
No time to today, but you're very wrong. - 11/10/2011 02:32:38 PM 690 Views
OK. - 11/10/2011 03:08:17 PM 664 Views
You really should read more about the Soviet Union. - 11/10/2011 03:19:32 PM 759 Views
Not sure it would change my perceptions. - 11/10/2011 03:41:08 PM 685 Views
In a single word: No. - 11/10/2011 08:26:36 AM 698 Views

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