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Re: Better question is have you been to any of them? beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 20/11/2011 07:00:30 PM
I've been to the protests in NYC and DC. What do you mean by "they're not at all peaceful?" My experiences mostly just consisted of people shouting.

I'll just roll my eyes at you using the term "Mary Jane," and continue.


Here is the value, the boiled down message, that I said in my post:

The Occupy protests are protesting the level of power corporations have, specifically the level of power they have over the government.


The things I listed- the bailouts, corporate personhood, the rest- were off-the-cuff examples of that message.

There are NOT laws against most of the things people have complained about. There are plenty of corporation-linked donations to campaign re-election funds. There aren't laws against massive government bailouts.

Even when there are laws, they often don't matter. If Citibank makes a profit of a billion, and then eventually has to pay fines of millions, do you think that's going to stop equally shady dealings in the future?


There are plenty of examples to list. And you didn't answer my question. Do you think that banks and corporations have no interest in politics, and have not been trying to exert their influence? Or do you know that they do, and don't mind?

Seriously- do you? If your position is "Oh, of course they have their hand in politics and I am fine with them spending millions to make sure "their" candidate is voted in," then at least I'll know where we disagree.


And my point about the massive crowds of people, all over the world protesting, was this: If this many people, in this many parts of the world, are this upset over something, then maybe there's a deeper problem than "they're lazy."
I amuse myself.
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An Open Letter to All People with Nothing Better To Do - 20/11/2011 10:49:21 AM 2047 Views
Huzah! A man chooses and a slave obeys! *NM* - 20/11/2011 10:56:42 AM 684 Views
Yeah, 'cos YTs comments are all about disobedience, and the OWSers are all about submission. - 20/11/2011 12:24:36 PM 1180 Views
Actually, my comment are about taking responsibility for yourself. *NM* - 20/11/2011 05:48:33 PM 675 Views
Some of them are doing just that. - 21/11/2011 11:14:58 PM 1058 Views
As usual you miss the point completely. *NM* - 20/11/2011 08:27:02 PM 675 Views
How much violence has there actually been? - 20/11/2011 12:35:54 PM 1173 Views
Re: How much violence has there actually been? - 20/11/2011 12:44:00 PM 1249 Views
Because it's easy. - 20/11/2011 12:49:02 PM 1145 Views
I think it's great that student loans can't be discharged in bankruptcy. - 20/11/2011 06:27:27 PM 1075 Views
Completely agree. *NM* - 20/11/2011 07:44:10 PM 741 Views
Asian parents have the right idea - 20/11/2011 08:49:39 PM 1186 Views
because that's not a huge generalization of an entire race... - 20/11/2011 09:05:26 PM 1122 Views
every pakistani, indian, viet, chinese, cambodian person I know (and thats a lot) .... - 20/11/2011 09:27:34 PM 1164 Views
I had a lot of asian peers in class growing up with parents who were not like that - 20/11/2011 10:35:45 PM 1156 Views
You has? Sorry...it was too good to pass up. *NM* - 20/11/2011 10:40:48 PM 618 Views
lol! oops! *edit* fail. *NM* - 20/11/2011 10:42:33 PM 631 Views
I understand that, and agree to a certain extent. - 20/11/2011 11:53:30 PM 1119 Views
Well... - 21/11/2011 05:39:09 AM 1108 Views
Hm. Those are all very sensible points. Food for thought. *NM* - 21/11/2011 06:06:24 AM 576 Views
To take it a step further - 21/11/2011 02:36:49 AM 1109 Views
I agree 100%. - 21/11/2011 05:41:40 AM 1025 Views
they are. - 21/11/2011 06:55:27 PM 1073 Views
HUZZAH! Very well said. - 20/11/2011 01:20:48 PM 1144 Views
"There are plenty of jobs and pay"... Do you read the news? *NM* - 20/11/2011 12:42:30 PM 634 Views
Yep, there are lots of jobs... - 20/11/2011 05:49:58 PM 1172 Views
there ARE plenty of jobs - 20/11/2011 06:14:30 PM 1199 Views
Excercise in creative thinking... - 20/11/2011 06:45:49 PM 1171 Views
Take an economics course. Learn about structural unemployment. - 20/11/2011 11:50:40 PM 1101 Views
*NM* - 21/11/2011 05:13:39 AM 624 Views
I'm sorry dude, but there ARE jobs. - 20/11/2011 07:21:21 PM 1159 Views
but what kind of jobs? - 20/11/2011 08:08:58 PM 991 Views
"My plastic surgeon" WTF Aisha - 20/11/2011 08:36:13 PM 1274 Views
Im a nurse - 20/11/2011 09:24:14 PM 1114 Views
I actually have a lot of respect for plastic surgeons outside pure cosmetics - 21/11/2011 01:02:59 AM 1169 Views
job that pay money - 20/11/2011 08:57:55 PM 1131 Views
lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take - 20/11/2011 09:35:07 PM 1164 Views
Re: lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take - 20/11/2011 10:29:16 PM 1069 Views
Re: lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take - 21/11/2011 12:19:52 AM 1202 Views
That's a shitty situation - 21/11/2011 12:24:20 AM 1017 Views
While it is true that the plural of anecdote is not data... - 21/11/2011 12:34:35 AM 962 Views
no I realize that - 21/11/2011 12:57:06 AM 945 Views
First of all, I worked at a dairy and have a friend who busses tables. - 20/11/2011 10:32:39 PM 1098 Views
Thats a big problem, Aisha - 22/11/2011 06:42:18 AM 1033 Views
Not in Michigan. *NM* - 21/11/2011 05:11:40 AM 602 Views
...I feel like you've been getting all of your information from TV News. This isn't about bills. - 20/11/2011 04:35:13 PM 1167 Views
Better question is have you been to any of them? - 20/11/2011 06:42:02 PM 1213 Views
I may need to be more concise about something - 20/11/2011 06:53:58 PM 1150 Views
Re: Better question is have you been to any of them? - 20/11/2011 07:00:30 PM 1007 Views
Wait...you think there is a problem with courts treating corporations as persons? - 20/11/2011 08:33:43 PM 1067 Views
You know what he meant. - 20/11/2011 09:32:59 PM 1135 Views
Pretty sure the inception of corporations was not 1886. - 22/11/2011 05:45:31 AM 1101 Views
You do realize... - 22/11/2011 06:01:47 AM 1038 Views
Almost anything CAN happen. - 22/11/2011 07:43:31 AM 1114 Views
You're right. I will hand you your ass on this one. If you give me gloves before touching it. - 23/11/2011 02:26:35 PM 1127 Views
That looks a little shaky. - 23/11/2011 05:42:39 PM 1144 Views
Funny how once we as a society used protesting for non personal gain ... - 20/11/2011 08:49:37 PM 1179 Views
I love this post. *NM* - 20/11/2011 09:06:49 PM 616 Views
Good post - 20/11/2011 09:13:12 PM 1104 Views
Then why don't the unemployed ... - 20/11/2011 10:36:36 PM 1044 Views
The UN is clearly out of touch with reality. - 20/11/2011 10:44:44 PM 1128 Views
"There is no right to work"? - 22/11/2011 05:50:30 AM 1111 Views
Also, do you even have a job yet? *NM* - 22/11/2011 06:02:11 AM 593 Views
Ikke ennĂ¥. - 22/11/2011 07:28:27 AM 1155 Views
A simple no would suffice. *NM* - 22/11/2011 07:32:27 AM 644 Views
Well, that was little more than a simple no. - 22/11/2011 07:57:11 AM 1044 Views
So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? - 21/11/2011 03:31:04 AM 1139 Views
Re: So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? - 22/11/2011 04:15:30 AM 1116 Views
I am also not Dan. - 22/11/2011 06:08:06 AM 980 Views
Re: So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? - 22/11/2011 06:47:25 AM 1171 Views
I don't think the protest is about being people feeling entitled - 22/11/2011 07:45:50 AM 1195 Views

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