More than technically, in my obviously subjective opinion.
Joel Send a noteboard - 23/11/2011 07:41:08 AM
I am a bit sleepy at the moment, so you will have to remind me when I called the Tea Party racist.
Well, I only had time for a quick search but there's this time which is a whole series of posts of that variety, and the very similiar one here, though in both of those you said they weren't all racist, which was so very kind and generous of you, though I can certainly recall lots of chats with you of the same flavor, and FYI "... not all racist" is pretty much on par with saying "Well I don't think all X are lazy/criminal/etc".
Saying the whole group is not racist, but should therefore hold accountable leaders who are, is not saying all or even most of the group is racist. Indulging racism in leaders is not racist itself, but certainly nothing to be proud of either. Lee Atwater and Ronald Reagan may not have been racists, but WERE both perfectly willing to pander to racists for the sake of an election (Iran-Contra suggests Reagan would have and did sacrifice anything--or anyone--for the presidency.)
Quoting well documented statements by former senior GOP strategists is a far cry from calling all or even most Republicans racists. If the statements and actions bother you, take it up with the party leaders who authored them, not me. When Bush quoted Kerrys flip flops I yelled at Kerry, not Bush, because I knew the latter was right. Objecting to people condemning the reprehensible but proven acts of ones allies indicates misplaced priorities, IMHO.
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An Open Letter to Police Officers Across America
- 20/11/2011 03:27:46 AM
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Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.
- 20/11/2011 03:59:42 AM
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I am forced to agree.
- 20/11/2011 04:37:07 AM
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You're right, but stuff like what just happened at UC Davis makes my blood boil
- 20/11/2011 05:52:11 AM
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As such things go, that does not seem too bad to me.
- 20/11/2011 06:14:54 AM
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I'm going to start a counter protest with "Bring back the Pinkertons" signs...
- 20/11/2011 05:19:19 AM
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One of the most poorly written pieces of shit I've read in a long time. *NM*
- 20/11/2011 06:30:29 AM
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Declaring people "enemy combatants" means they get to treat you as such too.
- 20/11/2011 01:55:51 PM
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Don't cloud the propaganda with logic, Tim!
- 20/11/2011 04:16:05 PM
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That's the problem with a two-party system: it's practically impossible to form a new party. *NM*
- 20/11/2011 05:42:39 PM
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And implicit in my statement above is the following addendum
- 20/11/2011 06:14:40 PM
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I agree with that. However, many seem to think that means it's OK to beat them up.
- 20/11/2011 06:21:05 PM
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Only if they resist arrest, and then the force must be proportionate. *NM*
- 20/11/2011 09:52:39 PM
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If they resist a lawful arrest, sure. *NM*
- 21/11/2011 11:11:11 AM
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they are breaking the law so it is lawful to arrest them *NM*
- 21/11/2011 10:46:18 PM
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In what way?
- 22/11/2011 09:12:01 AM
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Resisting arrest. Duh. *NM*
- 22/11/2011 10:11:04 AM
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They have to be doing something else before you can lawfully arrest them.
- 22/11/2011 10:30:05 AM
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Then they should be doing what the police say. Because that's the law. *NM*
- 22/11/2011 02:28:00 PM
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You're a smart guy, Ghavrel. You can't seriously think you have to do *anything* the police say.
- 22/11/2011 03:05:06 PM
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You are not allowed to just block sidewalks and camp wherever you want
- 22/11/2011 01:54:42 PM
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Most, if not all, of the arrests have been lawful.
- 22/11/2011 01:24:55 AM
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Can you tell me any more about this permit system? *NM*
- 22/11/2011 10:04:35 AM
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Thereby hangs the tale, indeed; I would also be interested in Toms elaboration on that.
- 23/11/2011 08:54:53 AM
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(OWS isn't anti-capitalism)
- 20/11/2011 06:39:37 PM
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It's almost impossible for you to say what OWS is when it refuses to define itself.
- 20/11/2011 08:44:12 PM
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Re: It's almost impossible for you to say what OWS is when it refuses to define itself.
- 22/11/2011 04:20:59 AM
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Why are liberals such whiners?
- 21/11/2011 01:51:03 PM
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There you go again....
- 21/11/2011 11:05:04 PM
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- 21/11/2011 11:05:04 PM
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it is a little hypocritical of the guy who called the Tea Party racsit to talk about broad brushes *NM*
- 22/11/2011 04:02:56 AM
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One of these days you should try responding to me with more than "that thing you just said? YOU!"
- 22/11/2011 06:11:20 AM
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one of these days you will respond without going into off topic rants
- 22/11/2011 02:02:46 PM
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A tangent is not a non sequitur, though in this case I do not feel guilty of either.
- 23/11/2011 08:12:09 AM
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I think you might be techincally correct
- 22/11/2011 03:04:00 PM
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More than technically, in my obviously subjective opinion.
- 23/11/2011 07:41:08 AM
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oh and stop with the the stupid BS about the Fed veing threatened it is getting old
- 22/11/2011 04:05:10 AM
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Saying a person would not like what one did to him if he came to ones state is a threat.
- 22/11/2011 06:13:35 AM
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No it is just another pathetic attempt of the left to believe the right are bad guys
- 22/11/2011 01:50:32 PM
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Saying one will take an unpleasant action against another is a threat, any way you slice it.
- 23/11/2011 08:17:44 AM
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You've posted this, but you don't seem inclined to defend it, one might ask what the point was?
- 21/11/2011 05:16:13 PM
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*NM*
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