After I thought about it more, I realized France and the US are not so different in that respect.
Joel Send a noteboard - 08/03/2012 08:51:03 PM
Yet another argument for Instant Runoff Voting (or Preferential Voting, of one prefers.) Personally, I would prefer America institute that and let everyone vote in both primaries, but do not expect either to happen soon.
Yes, indeed. Definitely would've resulted in better results in that election.
Specifically, what you said about the French presidency being a far more powerful position if his party also has a parliamentary majority. The US president is in a similar, if not identical, position (hence Obama screwed the pooch in not taking advantage of the Democratic House and Senate majorities while he still had them.)
I did qualify that slightly, but I meant the PM is the head of government as well as of the legislature. That makes implementing checks and balances harder.
Ohhh, you meant *both* terms as referring to American politics. That was rather confusing, considering that the UK actually *has* a Speaker of the House, and he/she is very much not the President.
Ah, right; I completely forgot the House of Commons has its own Speaker also, sorry.
' /> So what you say isn't really accurate - the British PM dominates parliament in the sense that his/her party controls it and he/she controls his party (or at least one would hope he/she does), but isn't the head of it in any formal sense. Still, I see your point that it's very different from American politics where the only one in the government (or administration, anyway) who is elected is the president himself, and that in a completely separate election.
It is more a matter of the PM being both a member of the legislative majority AND head of state. In some ways that gives Britains PM greater (if more precarious) power than the US president. The PMs situation seems more like Obamas before 2010 or Clintons before 1994; he may need the Whip to keep a few unruly party members in line, but seldom faces an openly hostile majority (if only because such majorities tend to relieve him of that burden, by bringing down his government.
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Now That Romney Is Officially the Republican Presidential Nominee: Pick the President! 
- 29/02/2012 08:29:02 PM
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- 29/02/2012 08:29:02 PM
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I agree Romney will be the candidate.
- 29/02/2012 08:54:52 PM
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I would say the math favors Romney over Obama, but it will probably be close either way.
- 01/03/2012 03:37:52 PM
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I have never understood the point of the Electoral College.
- 29/02/2012 11:39:11 PM
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You don't think like a politician then
- 01/03/2012 12:38:36 AM
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- 01/03/2012 12:38:36 AM
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I certainly hadn't considered much of that. I'm glad you posted it. *NM*
- 01/03/2012 07:15:03 AM
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I also have not seen most of that mentioned in the popular vs. electoral debate.
- 01/03/2012 02:34:31 PM
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a bit simplistic and unrealistic
- 02/03/2012 11:44:02 PM
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When illustrating a point realism is not required and simplicity is a plus
- 03/03/2012 03:04:26 AM
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I have a couple quibbles.
- 03/03/2012 05:23:46 AM
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Oh, certainly, I'm over-generalizing but I was already getting long-winded
- 03/03/2012 06:52:04 AM
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What a bunch of waffle!
- 03/03/2012 10:47:19 AM
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Also I don't like this refrain that implies only the POTUS vote matters
- 03/03/2012 03:29:58 AM
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IMHO, parliaments choosing prime ministers is LESS democratic than the electoral college.
- 03/03/2012 05:57:41 AM
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Re: IMHO, parliaments choosing prime ministers is LESS democratic than the electoral college.
- 03/03/2012 07:02:30 AM
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*is learning*
- 04/03/2012 09:49:42 PM
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Re: *is learning*
- 04/03/2012 09:56:16 PM
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Re: *is learning*
- 05/03/2012 12:08:08 AM
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You could imitate the French.
- 07/03/2012 10:40:16 PM
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- 07/03/2012 10:40:16 PM
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That seems... unlikely....
- 08/03/2012 03:03:54 PM
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- 08/03/2012 03:03:54 PM
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It does, doesn't it?
- 08/03/2012 06:11:08 PM
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- 08/03/2012 06:11:08 PM
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After I thought about it more, I realized France and the US are not so different in that respect.
- 08/03/2012 08:51:03 PM
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More similar than the other major Western democracies at least, agreed.
- 08/03/2012 09:32:55 PM
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I did not realize lack of a parliamentary majority dictated his cabinet.
- 09/03/2012 12:27:31 AM
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I don't know much about Norwegian politics, but you seem to be wrong.
- 03/03/2012 06:18:08 PM
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Do you happen to have that link, please?
- 03/03/2012 06:46:31 PM
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Sure.
- 03/03/2012 06:58:07 PM
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Guess we did not read far enough.
- 03/03/2012 10:38:07 PM
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Yeah, you have to know a few things about European politics...
- 03/03/2012 11:49:44 PM
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Hey, man, I am an AMERICAN: I do not HAVE to know ANYTHING! 
- 04/03/2012 11:46:57 PM
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- 04/03/2012 11:46:57 PM
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Re: Yeah, you have to know a few things about European politics...
- 05/03/2012 06:56:24 AM
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The thing is, regions often have national relevance far greater than their populations would suggest
- 05/03/2012 10:21:26 AM
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Re: Yeah, you have to know a few things about European politics...
- 08/03/2012 07:11:12 PM
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Many valid reasons, including those Isaac cited.
- 02/03/2012 02:26:37 AM
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Most states are ignored anyway
- 02/03/2012 11:56:12 PM
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Only because and to the extent they have already committed themselves.
- 03/03/2012 03:41:39 AM
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Why would we do something logical? Dude, you're utterly ridiculous. *NM*
- 05/03/2012 04:53:38 PM
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I'm kind of sad- does this mean Santorum won't be providing wonderful sound bites anymore?
- 01/03/2012 02:22:31 PM
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Romney or Obama, either way, America loses. *NM*
- 02/03/2012 01:10:26 AM
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Hard to dispute that either; six of one, half a dozen of the other.
- 02/03/2012 01:38:07 AM
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I'd agree hope and change was extremely unrealistic
- 02/03/2012 11:58:57 PM
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Well, you know my story there; I voted for Obama and got Hillary (at best.)
- 03/03/2012 01:43:20 AM
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Update: Despite rules requiring they be split, the MI GOP is giving Romney BOTH statewide delegates.
- 02/03/2012 11:10:56 PM
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Romney is damaged
- 02/03/2012 11:27:33 PM
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Obama is rather damaged also; it will probably come down to FL and OH, yet again.
- 03/03/2012 02:23:53 AM
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I'm hoping for Rubio as VP... then FL probably won't matter
- 03/03/2012 04:28:08 AM
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You should put that on your license plates. 
- 03/03/2012 06:41:34 AM
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- 03/03/2012 06:41:34 AM
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And what are you basing all of this on?
- 03/03/2012 09:54:06 PM
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The closeness of several states when Obama was far more popular, and UTs heavily Mormon neighbors.
- 03/03/2012 11:44:06 PM
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Wrong
- 04/03/2012 08:08:56 AM
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Higher turnout magnifies the Mormon effect.
- 04/03/2012 08:08:09 PM
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Your reasoning is flawed and if you can't see it there is no hope for you
- 05/03/2012 11:39:04 PM
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Yeah, I think we had that conversation already, several times, in fact.
- 07/03/2012 05:36:45 AM
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Do you have any knowledge of statistics at all?
- 07/03/2012 09:04:15 PM
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I hate this message board
- 07/03/2012 09:06:30 PM
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It would probably help if you deleted the stuff from two, three posts back?
- 07/03/2012 09:25:40 PM
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