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Basically what Dan said; atheism as iconoclasm sans icons (unless we count religion as symbolism.) Joel Send a noteboard - 11/03/2012 12:46:52 AM
Dan: Me:: Isaac: Adam? :P I leave it to others to decide who is most insulted by that analogy.... ;)
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Atheism: The Iconoclasm of the West? Joel - 10/03/2012 05:42:56 AM 1423 Views
I think about as highly of athiesm as I do of christianity. *NM* Urza - 10/03/2012 05:54:20 AM 401 Views
I would chide you on that basis for having a love/hate relationship with God, but who does not? Joel - 10/03/2012 06:05:11 AM 639 Views
If the divine made men... Urza - 10/03/2012 06:27:42 AM 632 Views
True, but by the same token, in denying our nature we deny the divine. Joel - 10/03/2012 06:57:40 AM 649 Views
I was actually just saying in Skype this is the first post you've made in a long time I've enjoyed. Urza - 10/03/2012 07:02:56 AM 663 Views
Thanks? It is all Dans fault, really. Joel - 10/03/2012 07:21:19 AM 927 Views
But you do comparable things all the time! jh - 10/03/2012 08:35:31 AM 855 Views
You've made this analogy before and it's still a bad one, those aren't comparable Isaac - 10/03/2012 03:43:08 PM 752 Views
You said what I was thinking far more respectfully than I probably would have. Joel - 11/03/2012 12:14:55 AM 713 Views
... and apparently it was a waste of time Isaac - 11/03/2012 03:27:04 AM 648 Views
Perhaps he just missed it in all my spam? Joel - 11/03/2012 04:59:31 AM 720 Views
Basically what Isaac said. *NM* Urza - 10/03/2012 07:22:07 PM 354 Views
who? *NM* jh - 11/03/2012 12:00:13 AM 329 Views
Me Caasi - 11/03/2012 03:31:51 AM 698 Views
You're right and wrong. Dan - 10/03/2012 05:09:32 PM 1083 Views
Re: You're right and wrong. Joel - 11/03/2012 12:28:25 AM 982 Views
Nope, Buddhists are explicitly atheist and also explicitly Ontologically engaged Dan - 11/03/2012 01:39:20 AM 974 Views
Actually, Buddhists are not explicitly atheist in the conventional sense of the world. Tom - 11/03/2012 02:42:36 AM 781 Views
Yeah, that's very true. Dan - 11/03/2012 03:27:09 PM 870 Views
My Buddhist readings are definitely Tibet-focused. Tom - 11/03/2012 04:00:17 PM 927 Views
Duplicate post *NM* Dan - 11/03/2012 03:28:58 PM 426 Views
I guess it is that old impersonalism that seems the great disappointment in most Eastern religions. Joel - 11/03/2012 04:48:54 AM 875 Views
What you talkin' 'bout, Willis? *NM* nossy - 10/03/2012 06:29:35 PM 326 Views
I think he's saying that most arguments used on behalf of Atheism actually come from the Bible. Dan - 10/03/2012 06:58:50 PM 762 Views
Pretty much, though I fudged iconoclasms precise definition. Joel - 11/03/2012 12:43:29 AM 688 Views
Basically what Dan said; atheism as iconoclasm sans icons (unless we count religion as symbolism.) Joel - 11/03/2012 12:46:52 AM 769 Views
What exactly do you mean by "The irreparable damage it inflicted in the Great Schism"? Tom - 10/03/2012 07:57:59 PM 834 Views
That Byzantiums iconoclasm was one of the many wedges between it and Rome that led to the Schism. Joel - 11/03/2012 12:27:05 AM 744 Views
Bull. Shit. Tom - 11/03/2012 01:54:07 AM 830 Views
I did not say it was decisive, but that it did irreparable damage to the relationship. Joel - 11/03/2012 04:23:43 AM 848 Views
Bull. Shit. Tom - 11/03/2012 04:30:08 AM 715 Views
It is not like I just pulled it out of my rear, any more than my HS history text or Wikipedia did. Joel - 11/03/2012 04:57:31 AM 787 Views
Bull. Shit. Tom - 11/03/2012 05:14:01 AM 860 Views
Irreparable damage is damage that cannot be repaired, not necessarily serious or fatal. Joel - 11/03/2012 10:34:57 AM 927 Views
Mierda.del.Toro Larry - 11/03/2012 12:36:59 PM 819 Views
1969 may be "sometime back" in Roman Catholic history,but is ~a millenium after the time in question Joel - 12/03/2012 05:47:11 PM 1134 Views
You really must get steamed by anyone calling you out on your hyberbolic comments Larry - 12/03/2012 06:55:06 PM 929 Views
On the contrary, I am not the one screaming "bullshit" in as many languages as possible. Joel - 13/03/2012 12:07:54 AM 986 Views
No, you're just the one spewing the bullshit. *NM* Tom - 13/03/2012 12:37:15 AM 306 Views
ο κοπρος. του ταυρου. Tom - 11/03/2012 02:19:11 PM 896 Views
Very edifying; can you do Mandarin or Swahili next? Joel - 12/03/2012 05:47:23 PM 795 Views
No. Even English seems to be beyond your grasp. Tom - 12/03/2012 06:29:50 PM 698 Views
Citing scripture does not justify telling me to kill myself. Joel - 13/03/2012 12:08:02 AM 844 Views
I'm not telling you to; God is. Tom - 13/03/2012 12:35:45 AM 615 Views
Or can only you use that sort of specious logic? *NM* Tom - 13/03/2012 03:50:20 PM 314 Views
And re: particular bullshit Tom - 11/03/2012 02:33:15 PM 808 Views
Re: And re: particular bullshit Joel - 13/03/2012 12:07:42 AM 725 Views
Give it up already. You are wrong. everynametaken - 12/03/2012 12:53:37 AM 1007 Views
I will do the former at least; pretty sure this "discussion" has reached rock bottom. Joel - 13/03/2012 12:12:46 AM 655 Views
More or less your last line Cannoli - 11/03/2012 01:37:42 AM 729 Views
That is a broader argument, but more consistent with iconoclasms established meaning. Joel - 11/03/2012 05:12:12 AM 854 Views
Would you include the iconoclasm that Joel cites in the canonical Judeo-Christian tradition as well? Dan - 11/03/2012 12:44:49 PM 719 Views
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